The Euro and statesmanship

Lord Soley

I cannot understand why the Prime Minister continues to hector our main allies in Europe – he seems to be blind to the danger of leaving Britain on the sidelines. Whether we are in the Eurozone or out of it we need to be constructive. This was the exchange in the House yesterday.

Lord Strathclyde: I take no view on what the eurozone should do. I accept that it is at a crossroads and there are two different views as to what could and should happen next. The House should be in no doubt that, whatever path is chosen, the Government are prepared to do whatever is necessary to protect this country and to secure our economy and financial system.

Lord Soley: On the problems in the eurozone, can the Leader of the House tell us what the Prime Minister was really thinking when he said that he would protect Britain’s interest? He went on to do what I can remember no other Prime Minister doing, which was to attack our major allies in Europe by lecturing and hectoring them and using phrases like,

“kicking the can down the road”,

which is more reminiscent of a debate in a university than it is of true statesmanship. Right now we need statesmanship.

Lord Strathclyde: My Lords, I do not follow that at all. There is no sense of my right honourable friend the Prime Minister lecturing those in the eurozone, although he might well be tempted to do so given that the United Kingdom economy, with our independent bank and independent currency, has been better able to weather the storm.

You can read the full exchange here:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201213/ldhansrd/text/120523-0001.htm#12052370000490

12 comments for “The Euro and statesmanship

  1. Twm O'r Nant
    24/05/2012 at 7:16 pm

    Government are prepared to do whatever is necessary to protect this country and to secure our economy and financial

    That clearly means nothing, since the necessary condition of joining the Euro is a 49%/51% stake in favour of the German bank which prints the currency.

    UK would thus have no democratic control over its money in circulation. That has always been the problem with joining or not joining, and it seems as though it will continue to be so.

    Other European countries closer to the German centre, can have no such qualms, especially if their population and economies are so much smaller, as they all are. Greece has been rather glad, I surmise.

    It’s only money.

  2. MilesJSD
    25/05/2012 at 6:41 am

    You (“up there”)
    ((as well as “we down here”))
    need to re-define “statesmanship” in Peoples’-real-life terms
    rather than in Establishmentarian and ‘Westminster Village’ self-cossetting terms;

    and bring it sustainworthily up-to-date this time,

    already well-suggested as “statespersonship”,

    and to truly parallel this statespersonship with
    “Earth-Citizenship”
    and “Earthlife-Leadership”.

  3. Croft
    25/05/2012 at 12:24 pm

    Have you forgotten so quickly the things Gordon Brown use to say to Europe?

    As to “kicking the can down the road” Obama’s used the same phrase for inaction. I’m not clear what you think statesmanship is; we’ve had 4 years now of Europe fudging making real decisions.

    We’re not in the Euro so we have no influence – and frankly the idea that somehow we can gain any by different actions is absurd. Europe is in this mess because the elite designed a currency without political union and their response to the crisis consisted of making and polishing the stable door bolt.

    Statesmanship includes telling hard truths not standing by with warm words as your friends and neighbours dig a bigger and bigger hole for themselves.

    • maude elwes
      26/05/2012 at 10:37 am

      The reason nothing has been done by government on behalf of the British people and our future is down to our governments, both sides of the House, being fixated by the idea that the US is their saviour. And if they cling to it more strongly it will prove our good samaritan before we are eaten by the wolves. Or, that we must stand with it, regardless of how mad they have become.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeCpLcjxOq4&feature=related

      Both the UK and Europe must face up to the fact that what has been allowed to diminish our society, economy and future prospects, is the connection they foster with an insane military regime determined to cling on to its perceived power at all costs. The terrorist feared is the man already in our bed.

      The first move for both the UK and Europe has to be serious discussion on what is really going on here. How the situation we find ourselves in was allowed to grow to such dire consequences. Who was turning the blind eye and why? Why are we being duped without a question asked?

      The absurd dislike and blame we lay at the feet of Europe is beyond understanding. It resembles the woman married to a man who, having lost his mind, wishes her demise, and she, unable to see the horror of his change toward her, still harbours the idea he will be her white knight in the end. Whilst the neighbour across the road, who has had her best interests at heart, because her best interests are his best interests, is tossed aside in the belief her man is really only playing this game of terror and tomorrow he will lament.

    • MilesJSD
      03/06/2012 at 10:42 am

      “Why are we being duped without a question being asked ?”

      “Statesmanship includes telling hard truths…”

      “I have edited out your demeaning comments…”

      (Ergo ?)
      we should be able to foresee our statesmen and stateswomen by diligently hearing all the Whistleblowers
      and watching the ‘Wickedleaks’
      ( ? )
      =======
      Please see also my submission to Lord Norton’s “Keeping up to date…” (Sunday 030612, above)
      suggesting a
      “Public’s seriously-submitted
      & impartially verbatimly published
      issues, topics, factors …” E-Site.

  4. Gareth Howell
    25/05/2012 at 3:55 pm

    the update is that if Greece opts out of the
    Eurozone and its membership of the EU27 is brought in to question as per the terms of the Treaty, then the terms of the treaty will probably be changed, perhaps at an emergency meeting.

    It seems rather unfair that a country should be chucked out of the community for opting out of the zone by other countries who have never opted in to it, ie the UK, and who should therefore not really have a say in that particular procedure.

    They do and they will be aware of the anomaly
    which may therefore be waived in the case of Greece.

    The gamble for a socialist govt , if it gets in to power in Greece, is that the above mentioned will actually happen in the order that it should!!

    Hope fully they will take their polls of other members before they reach the decision to opt out!

  5. maude elwes
    31/05/2012 at 10:50 am

    On the matter of Statemanship, quite aside from Europe.

    Has anyone had the time to take in what the Telegraph put out yesterday???? Our Conservative leader, DC, is in bed with T.Blair and, it is rumoured, has been for sometime. If you remember, I wrote of this suspicion when I queried the Baroness Ashton fiasco aawhile back.

    So, we really have a non party set up running this ‘democracy’ we live in, and even when these creeps are voted out, it is impossible to be rid of them. Now I understand why dictatorships want the full monty when ridding themselves of those who betray their people before them. It insures there will be no return to the failed horrendous policies of those who rule with bloated, sinnister egos that doesn’t subside with age or the appearance of a stripped power base.

    This government must return to the country for a general election as it no longer has any credibility with the electorate or the world.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9299467/David-Cameron-and-Tony-Blair-forge-special-relationship.html

    And of course denied.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/may/30/blair-cameron-forging-special-relationship?newsfeed=true

    Can any of us believe anything we read or are told anymore?

    Truth is, niether side of the House are fit for purpose as none of them know what the heck they are doing.

  6. Twm O'r Nant
    02/06/2012 at 12:50 pm

    That quixotic man Gareth Howell,to whom I Twm O’r Nant, am the “SanchoPanza” will be in parliament on Wednesday 13th July,to attend a Foreign Affairs select committee meeting of the other place on the subject of Malawi.

  7. Lord Soley
    Lord Soley
    02/06/2012 at 3:55 pm

    Maude. Please stop using casual insults. They demean you. I have edited them out and I expect you to be able to express your views without casual insults.

    • maude elwes
      08/06/2012 at 5:19 pm

      @LS:

      I am not sure what casual insults you are referring to?

      However, it is chivalrous for you to be concerned about my being demeaned by my writing content, even though I am not sure as to which part of the content you are addressing. I feel it can only be related to T.Blair and his odious behaviour that inspires disgust.

      That said, I do feel you should be concerned, in real terms, about how Blair demeaned the office of British Prime Minister, our Parliament and our country because that is a seriously disturbing situation for the UK to find itself in and to address to the rest of the world.

      If, as you write, you feel I insulted him casually, then, I feel, it is a sad reflection on the culpability of our statesmen as I am inconsequential on the world stage. However, this man took this country to war illegally, was complicit in lies to our people to get us involved in war and killing, rendition to torture human beings and more, yet you feel he should be unassailable.

      In case we forget.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=GtN_gkb9EPs

      And how the world views this act of horror.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjfd6pzUDmA&feature=related

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU2-Ro0BFYs

      • Lord Blagger
        11/06/2012 at 12:08 pm

        Interesting to look at the difference too between the Lords and the Bar council.

        I complained to the Bar council about Lord Taylor. Namely a conviction for Fraud is behaviour that barristers are not allowed to exhibit, and if they do they are removed.

        End result, he has been struck off as a barrister.

        Meanwhile the Lords keep him in the club and do not do anything about removing him.

        No doubt the same will happen with Warsi. My prediction – another state secret will be created. End result, the Lords aren’t allowed to talk to the police because that would be a crime. In other words a cover up by the people responsible for paying the money out.

  8. maude elwes
    18/06/2012 at 11:23 am

    I was perusing the European debating forum the other day and came across the question of the democratic movement of Europe as a union.

    It could be a good lesson here for our House of Lords as well as the Commons.

    Have a good read, it is what the President of Europe feels about the future of democracy for us all.

    http://www.europarl.europa.eu/the-president/en/press/press_release_speeches/speeches/sp-2012/sp-2012-may/speeches-2012-may-4.html

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