Scottish Referendum

Lord Soley

Yesterday there was a debate on the profoundly important issue of the Scottish referendum. I don’t think the importance or the implications of this have fully sunk in either with all the Scottish people or everyone else in the UK who will feel the effects if there is vote for independence.

There are particularly important implications for Scottish people living in the rest of the UK (about 0ne million people). They will become foreign citizens unless and until they return to Scotland. They are not allowed a vote in the referendum but they have influence. I hope they use it to encourage a vote against separation.

My message is that we need Scotland in the UK. We are all stronger and more prosperous because of the union. Separation would be bad for Scotland and bad for the rest of the country.

Read the debate here:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201415/ldhansrd/text/140624-0002.htm

5 comments for “Scottish Referendum

  1. MilesJSD
    26/06/2014 at 8:45 am

    Sine Qua Non, these ‘united-kingdom-nations’
    [a people-deluding,blaming-overtaxing, and punishing euphemism for
    ‘united-British-nation-states’]
    need to show both able and willing to pay-off both ‘The’ and ‘our individual’
    Debts and Derivatives,

    and to pay them off to both current and future-planned Civilisation,
    and to this Lifesupportive-Planetary-Earth.

    I see no attempt to do either,
    not by any nation nor by their nation-state;

    in fact the opposite ‘argument’ runs like this
    (“) Since it is impossible for us to bring back either extincted Lifesupports or Destroyed Non-Renewable Stocks and Resources
    we might as well ‘live for today for tomorrow we die’;
    and no Power [not even ‘God’] can ever call in our Debts and Derivatives
    [in fact ‘God’ is already always forgiving us] (“).

    {Or as one of my caree’s neighbours loudly proclaims at every opportunity
    (“)We’re legal tenants here; we can slam doors and do as we like(“)}.
    ————
    To me it looks like Scotland on its own might very well make a better shot at paying off its part of The and ‘their’ Debts and Derivatives than it would shackled to England, Wales, Ulster, and ‘the British Commonwealth’;

    but could any of the British nation-states,
    or even all-of-the-people-put-together,
    ever pay off those now mounting Debts and Derivatives ?

  2. maude elwes
    26/06/2014 at 10:27 am

    People in the UK have already become foreign citizens, or, Auslander (sorry, no umlaut) in their own country. If only we all had the option for separation we may see substantial and beneficial change right here in England.

    Scotland must decide for itself. And we should be happy to accept their choice by making it easy for them to flourish whatever that choice may be.

    • tizres
      26/06/2014 at 5:25 pm

      Maude, the easiest way to insert words with accents or diacritics is to search, then copy and paste into your comments eg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ausl%C3%A4nder gives you Ausländer.

      • maude elwes
        27/06/2014 at 10:16 am

        @tizres.

        Many thanks, you have helped remove a stone I’ve had in my shoe for some time. I cringe with embarrassment when I have to put various words from different languages on numerous websites. I’ve not managed to find a keyboard that offers them all.

  3. Davie Smith
    26/06/2014 at 7:41 pm

    This blog is complete and utter nonsense. This is what we get from an unelected member of the second biggest political chamber in the world? You’re one of the reason I’m YES my Lord. *bows politely

    Firstly, there is no legal distinction in nationality between a man born in Glasgow and a man born in London. They are both citizens of the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland. They may identify themselves as Scottish & English but are both the same nationality. For the purposes of sport, place of birth by proof of birth certificate all the way up to grand parent will do. Even 5 years of school in England is enough to play in the World Cup.

    For the one million people born in Scotland living in England, although I’m sure I read it was about 850k, to become foreign citizens a few thing have to happen. Firstly those people born in Scotland will need to apply for Scottish citizenship, which is not mandatory, then the UK government will have to strip UK citizenship from one million British people based on where they where born in the country. What about the Scots who don’t apply to be citizens of Scotland? Will they be left stateless? What about the English born people living in Scotland who apply to be Scottish citizens? Will they be stripped of UK citizenship too? Why would the UK government allow dual nationality with other nations but not an independent Scotland?

    We both know this blog is nonsense. Or at least I hope you do, otherwise we really are wasting the £300 a day you get for just showing up.

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