Interesting times

Lord Norton

The House returned on Tuesday and it has proved already an interesting week.  Both Houses had the statement on the constitutional position of Scotland, accompanied by a consultation paper on a referendum on whether Scotland should leave the United Kingdom.  There was notable cross-party unity on the subject.  That was Tuesday.  Then yesterday, we had the Welfare Reform Bill and four divisions on amendments, with the Goverment losing three of them by clear majorities.   Most defeats attract little media interest, but given that these were on important provisions of the Bill, they attracted notable media coverage.  

The discussion on a referendum in Scotland may have implications for the Scotland Bill, presently before the House.  The changes to the Welfare Reform Bill will have to be considered by the Commons.  The Lords is also still engrossed in other significant legislation, not least the Health and Social Care Bill and the Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Bill (it was the second day in committee on Tuesday).  The Protection of Freedoms Bill is being considered in Grand Committee.   The Commons rises for one week in February, as does the Lords (though not the same week), and we are presently scheduled to rise on 29 March.   It is going to be quite a busy time between now and Easter.  Watch this space.

5 comments for “Interesting times

  1. 13/01/2012 at 11:44 am

    What will the implications for citizenship be, if Scotland gains independence? I imagine you’d still have the benefits of general EU citizenship and thus going between Scotland and the UK wouldn’t be a problem, but what about foreign nationals gaining citizenship? Would they have to become citizens of either Scotland OR the UK?

  2. maude elwes
    14/01/2012 at 9:44 am

    If this government believes a country is going to put away its desire to be free from a government it didn’t want at conception and despises now, on the grounds that it will be without Sterling or because the Chinese panda’s will have to move out of their jurisdiction, then that alone tells you that Scotland will be doing itself a favour getting away from it.

    What is Scotland’s plans for defense? Well one would have to consider what defense the rest of the European Union has in place, and southern Island, how does that little country manage? Is there truly a threat that Scotland is going to be invaded should it get rid of the UK government, as they are ruled by and defended by the USA? Are you serious? The protection of the UK involves horrendous threats to the people of this country as the British government is consistently at war with one state or another at the behest of it American leaders.

    And the absolute crap of Westminster deciding that a country must bow to its plans on how and if their referendum is legal, has to be a farce. What a narrow line to force a so called ‘free people’ to toe a line they have consistently made clear they don’t want and don’t like.

    Do you really feel that if Scotland applies to the EU they will be turned down, whilst this government is pushing for a unity with Turkey and other pariah states? Are you all quite mad?

    The mess in the Royal Bank of Scotland had nothing whatsoever to do with the ‘people’ of Scotland. That bank, like most others, was brought to its knees by following the British government line of unity with Wall Street and the US government. You all seem so determined to put up some kind of smoke screen that frees you all of your responsibility in this fiasco. The banking crisis began in the USA. I spread, akin to a forest fire here and the rest of the EU, because politicians allowed it to. And the Scots sensibly don’t want to be under that threat again. As this government is determined to stick with the old, tired and faulty Capitalism that robs from the poor to elevate the rich by the tactics we have all witnessed for some years now.

    Throwing up the connection of Salmond to Fred Goodwin has to be a joke, surely. It is Westminister who decided to re-boot that man and allow him to get away with the theft he managed to carry out, with the backing of ‘our’ officials, not Salmond. Who, no doubt, like the rest of us, had no idea what machinations had really taken place by the overwhelming subjugation of the US financial departments on the entire chebang.

    And the audacity of Darling to offer up any slight against another, when it was he who was in the on the robbery of us all first hand. You politicians take the cake when it comes to boldness and thick skin, don’t you?

    Scotland’s independence should be a matter for the Scottish people and the idiot threats levied on them will only serve to make them want to move further away from us not closer. Anyone in their right mind would know that instinctively, but not this bunch of weeds we have running us presently.

    If you want the Scots to love us, and want to remain part of the UK union,m then change the gross and unacceptable politics you cling to so ludicrously. That is the answer to the problem you have and there is where you will find salvation. If you want to, that is.

  3. Gareth Howell
    14/01/2012 at 11:24 am

    I wonder whether Scotnats have become a right wing nationalist party from being a Left wing/centre left one; that their loyalties are now towards the Queen of Scotland, and to that extent wish to be considered independent
    except when it comes to the illustrious Scottish military regiments, whose wages will continue to be paid for by the UK government.

    Ethnic “National” distinctions may have been obscured by European regional definitions but the reality is that a political regime based on ethnicity such as Scottishness, are very backward, but in a world of supernations , just an amusing reflection of the low worth of regional political discussion and decision; regional in this case being the 9/10 regions of England and the 2 of Wales and Scotland.

    As one with the name Hywel, descended like 100,000s of others from the two dynasties of Rhodri Mawr and Hywel Dda, I shall be rather glad if Wales remains the region that EU designates it to be, but then the political unity of Wales and England, thanks to those like Hywel dda (945ad), came about some hundreds of years before that of Scotland, with England and Wales.

    But when England plays Wales again, IT WON’T HAVE DONE!

  4. MilesJSD
    16/01/2012 at 8:57 am

    Once again the Greater Issue being avoided here is
    Our Common-(versus-or-&)-Individual Purpose,

    I further suggest thie Matter is communicable by the Question:

    “What are and will be the two neighbouring nations’ Common Needs-&-Hows;
    and what both their common and individual mutually-supportive Relationships internationally or
    formulated critically within their likely respective and common-expedient civilisational futures,
    and within this Earth’s critically-probable Longest-Term Lifesupportive Future ?” ?
    And if not already thus formulated, in what form has such Great Issue been formulated; and where is it visible to, and possibly facilitated for democratic-participation by, the Affected-Public(s) ?
    And if such latter operational formulation is insufficiently Win-Win-Win strategic,
    (1) why ?
    (2) what has been done to ensure its ‘fail-safety’ ?

  5. Twm O'r Nant
    17/01/2012 at 12:15 pm


    Lords of the Blog goes dark during the winter theatre season


    Give us a cue or is Coriolanus to blame?

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