Rapid Intervention Border Force

Lord Soley

Today David Cameron will be phoning the French and German leaders to try and persuade them not to change existing EU treaties or make new one. The Conservatives are committed to a referendum if the EU powers are increased. The EU is still a sensitive issue for the Conservative Party and particularly delicate given the opposing views within the Liberal Democrats. So what will he make of the new Rapid Intervention Border Force as reported yesterday?:  http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/25/armed-eu-guards-greece-turkey  The Guardian report says:

“A new force of armed European guards is to be dispatched to Greece to patrol the country’s border with Turkey in an attempt to stem steeply increasing illegal immigration into Europe.

The deployment of the Rapid Intervention Border Teams, assembled from the border guard forces of other European countries, will be the first time Brussels has deployed multinational armed units on the EU’s external land border.”

This is all part of the slowly emerging EU nation state. Slow it may be but increasingly inevitable. Come to think of it isn’t this the way the UK emerged from a collection of competing states over many centuries?

Thoughts  – philosophical and political please BUT NOT TOO LONG!

9 comments for “Rapid Intervention Border Force

  1. Carl.H
    27/10/2010 at 10:28 am

    “The Conservatives are committed to a referendum if the EU powers are increased.”

    In recent documents posted here we have seen at least 42% of the electorate would like a referendum on the EU, personally I feel it is more, I don`t know what the sample size was or how it was made up.

    I feel an armed border force is trouble waiting to happen though illegal immigration has to be bought under control. First off for the UK though is to find someway of detecting all those hidden in trucks & cargo that manage to get across the channel.

    We also need to show to people that immigrants who have never put into the system are not treated with priority and with more support than the rest of the population.

    With regards the Turkey/Greece border I think politically we have to be extremely careful. Turkey is fast becoming a Nation of Islam, especially fundamentalists, and I don`t think it would take much for this area to become a tinderbox.

  2. JSDM
    27/10/2010 at 1:10 pm

    Wouldn’t the UN provide a more neutral border-policing force ?

  3. Croft
    27/10/2010 at 1:27 pm

    “This is all part of the slowly emerging EU nation state.”

    Your government said the treaties it signed did no such thing and you voted in favour of them.

  4. lord.blagger@googlemail.com
    27/10/2010 at 1:54 pm

    The question of do immigrants contribute misses the question.

    The real question should be are immigrants net contributors?

    There is quite an easy test. Do they earn more than 42,000 pounds a year? If so, they are contributors, if not then the rest of us are paying for them.

    Note, that’s per immigrant. If there are dependants then you have to multiply that by the number of dependants.

    So why 42K? Well, the government spends 11K per person. You need to be on 42K to be taxed 11K. That’s break even spending and taxation.

    It of course ignores the real biggies, the government debts.

    So how many illegal immigrants pay tax?

    The Lib Dems want an amnesty. Come clean and we will wipe your tax evasion off the books. Just for immigrants mind you, not for natives. No amnesty there. Natives have to pay for those that are net consumers.

    That’s why the current government are nuts. The immigration cap is wrong. So long as people are above 42K per migrant, with a safety margin, its not an issue. The real issue are the 100s of thousands of illegal immigrants. Something they won’t address.

  5. JSDM
    27/10/2010 at 3:22 pm

    From informatin so far, this should already be a NATO defence force commitment; to keep out (Arab)(Muslim) terrorists.

  6. Senex
    27/10/2010 at 4:56 pm

    LB: Have a peek at the Hukou system:


    Everybody is treating the symptom but not the cause.

  7. Senex
    27/10/2010 at 5:05 pm

    LS: I don’t care how the executive deploys the armed forces so long as they make the decision alone. Once a vote in either house makes the decision for them the electorate cannot remove at a stroke all the members of both houses if they become displeased.

    Regardless, there must be democratic accountability within any EU sovereign state and not at the expense of tainting their Parliaments.

  8. Twm O'r Nant
    27/10/2010 at 6:06 pm

    A new force of armed European guards is to be dispatched to Greece to patrol the country’s border with Turkey in an attempt to stem steeply increasing illegal immigration into Europe.

    Considering the Economic Union that Turkey currently enjoys with the ET, it must surely be other nationalities than Turks who are considered to be the illegal immigrants, from further East ie Pakistan, with a huge and impoverished population?

    If that is not the case then Carl’s comment about Turkey being a country of increased Islamization would be relevant.

    Prima facie it seems merely that the Turks are complacent about allowing Pathans and Pakistanis through their border in to Greece on the nod.

  9. ladytizzy
    27/10/2010 at 10:19 pm

    Along with a mug of triple-A strength coffee, my husband delivers the early news and a round-up of the ed and op-eds from yesterday’s edition of the Guardian/Observer; in return, he reads the Coffee House blog. Who knew marriage could be such fun?

    Neither of us has felt the need to procreate.

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