
Bismarck said, according to Susanna Kalitowski from the Hansard Society, that “Laws are like sausages; it’s better not to see them being made”. Kalitowski, whose report will be launched tomorrow afternoon and ‘previewed’ in the House Magazine yesterday, has studied the role of parliamentary scrutiny of legislation, interviewing over 80 interviews with Ministers, MPs, peers, government officials and pressure groups. The consensus is that while changes to a bill are often forced through in the Lords, the issues on which to fight are often identified in the Commons and Ministers ‘softened up’ to move on an issue. External actors like lobby groups and campaigners can have a major influence and probably more than they think. There is also general agreement that the weakness in scrutiny lies in insufficient pre-legislative scrutiny of many bills and a feeling in Whitehall that to change anything is a sign of weakness, a cultural problem which could be addressed if ministers showed more confidence. Certainly her findings accord with my experience. A collaborative approach by the bill team and a willingness to talk and talk again outside the debating chamber is usually key.
I did think of blogging today after sitting listening in the Chamber to the Jack Straw proposals for Lords reform. It is a shambolic woolly paper that’s for sure, green not white. See Lord Norton’s link in his last blog to read it in full. So no attractive redundancy package for me then? (only joking). Looks like no-one can quite see how to get from where we are now to the magic ‘legitimate’ elected House. This one could run and run, I think I’ll have retired long before anything sensible is done. I would quite like to see an elected element introduced into the House as a pilot, perhaps replacing say 20% of the existing political appointees who have come straight from the Commons or local government. They would broadly bring the same skills as former politicians do now but without their experience. Lets see how we could devise an appropriate constituency for such elections and monitor what changes in scrutiny such a new element would introduce if any before tearing down the whole edifice. Can’t we just drop the titles and become fixed term appointments as a starter? Baroness D’Souza made a well thought out response on behalf of us threatened crossbenchers, which brought cheers from all sides of the House.
I did see Baroness D’Souza’s comments on the White Paper in today’s Hansard, and Lord Hunt of King’s Heath typically dodged the questions she asked.
I would be quite happy to see the subject die after this Parliament, as I think we have far more urgent things to consider. Ideally it’d never arise again. Not to say that the Lords is a perfect institution (the hereditary peers are an anomaly, but I do not think an abherrance), but it functions well and is a far superior tool for scrutinising the Government than the elected Commons – why isn’t this more obvious to those who wish to abolish the Lords?
Thank you Baroness Murphy for plugging our latest publication – without prompting I hasten to add!
The book is being published tomorrow – for more information please click here.
As one of the co-authors, I can exclusively reveal that Baroness Murphy is herself quoted in the book – not once but twice (she doesn’t know this yet). Both are remarks made here on the blog in relation to her experience of the legislative process which were useful contributions to the themes developed in our research. So thank you for those as well!
Matt Korris
Hansard Society
Matt, Now I really will have to buy your book, if only to find out what I said!.
I think we can stretch to complimentary copy! They’ll certainly be copies at the launch event this afternoon if you are able to attend.