Last week I was one of two members of the House of Lords attending a session in Brussels of this body. It brought together parliamentarians from nineteen countries and seven Members of the European Parliament. It was chaired by Sir Graham Watson, the MEP for South West England. The theme was the urgent need to develop renewable energy and the efficient use of energy throughout the world, but perhaps especially in India and China.
I give below a general statement about this specialized parliament: (www.climate/parl.net)
Climate Parliament
According to the UK Met Office, we are currently on track to raise the Earth’s temperature by 4 degrees C by 2070, with catastrophic consequences. Most of the greenhouse gases that threaten our future come from burning oil, coal and gas. We have the technology right now to power the world with clean energy. But to do so we need to use the power of connection in three ways:
Connect to the sun
We have a nuclear power station, safely located 93 million miles away, which can provide all the energy we need. It gives us sunshine, and its energy creates wind and rain. Can we really generate enough energy by conectingto sun, wind and water? Easily. Solar power stations could meet the energy needs of 1 billion people consming at the European level. Wind power has similar potential. Hydropower, biomass or geothermay can all provide reliable backup energy.
Connnect through smart grids
We should meet as much of our energy needs as possible from local sources, with regional supergrids delivering the rest. Trough smart regional grids, we can all connect to the areas where engergy is most abundant – such as sunny deserts, windy seas or hydropower in the mountains. And when the wind drops or clouds cover the sun in one place, we can draw energy from areas where the wind is still blowing and the sun is still shining.
Meanwhile, 1.4 billion people still haven’t as much as a lighbulb in their homes, yet most of them live in rural villages that are rich in renewable potential. Village mini-grids, combiining as many sources as possible, can provide the energy they need for their development.
Connect parliaments
Time is runing out, and the UN talks are moving slowly. We need legislative action now, on every continent. The Climate parliament is linking up concerned legislators around the globe. Through national parliamentary groups, international meeting and internet outreach, we’re pressing for both public and private investment to switch the world’s power supply to renewables. Before it’s too late.
If you connect parliamenrts you will get even more hot air and that is the last thing you want!
Solar power, wind power, and the water power that we were using for centuries for grinding flour, provide useful extra sources of energy.
If the government is intent on trapping solar power during the summer at 21p/kw, then it is high time that the motorway electricity recharging grids for cars, are up and running. Using the electricity in the summer, which is ONLY created in the summer, certainly in the Western parts of these islands, is sound thinking, and using it to prevent the warming exuded by the millions of domestic cars in the Uk, can only be sensible thinking.
In the west of England solar power is dead loss, in spite of what the sales gimmicks tell you. I researched last summer’s solar input and it would take about 40 years to repay the investment.
Wind power is a different matter since although we get becalmed weather at any time of year, it is frequently becalmed with plenty of sunshine. To be self sufficient in energy having both solar and wind power at one’s personal disposal is a vaguely attractive choice.
I would be very interested to see anybody who has all three on their farm estate to show off to the public……. WIND, WATER,SOLAR.
One water mill near here has been coining since late September, and the solar panel merchants will do the same, (assuming AZIMUTH of 0*)if we have a fine summer one of these years! In the West country and Wales, that would be one year in seven.
The complete and utter myth purveyed that the sun is not required for solar panels, is ubelievable for its nonsense. About 5% of elec production from them may be acquired during cloudy conditions.
A solar panel would do very well to charge a battery for me to heat the soil early in the year with soil heating cables, to extend the growing season. That kind of technology is something which all owners of 1/2 acre or so should be interested in, but are not.
I have never seen anybody suggest such a choice, possibly due to the requirement of the heavy pollutant, lead acid batteries being required for temporary storage of the power.
Elaborate ground souce earth warming seems
a very rare and expensive way of starting an individual heating system.
Climate Gate 3 is released today.
More emails no doubt showing we’re being deceived.
quote…According to the UK Met Office, we are currently on track to raise the Earth’s temperature by 4 degrees C by 2070, with catastrophic consequences….endquote.
Ah ! but the real problem Lord Hylton is, it ain’t happening.
There is no global warming. Worldwide there has been no temperature increase for the last sixteen years.
Have you looked out of the window? It’s snowing here in Kent in mid-March !!!!
Perhaps that’s why the green alarmists now talk of ‘climate change’
Far better to stop building useless windmills and then taxing the consumer to pay for them and get on with ‘Fracking’
@Old Albion:
I feel you may be barking up the wrong tree.
The heating of the planet is as a result of the change in the earths atmoshere, creating a heating of its core. As the core heats planetary changes occur nearer to the surface, earthquakes, vocano activity and so on.
And there is no doubt that changes are taking place.
Although, the outcome is not necessarily wrong or bad for the ultimate future of our planet. We, meaning mankind, may not be in line for a boost as a result of it. However, nature decides what is good for this ‘world without end’ not us. The changes we may be able to make are already too late to stop the evolution of this planet from one age to the next.
Here is a little over view.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqsRD4HPtH0
And
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_eJdX6y4hM
Sorry but that is bonkers.
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/PhillipChan.shtml
Puts the temperature at the core at various possible temperatures. The middle ground is around 5000K.
The temperature of the atmosphere is around 280-290K.
What evidence do you have that temperature transfers happen from the cold to the hot?
@LB:
You must be so out of touch with your senses it makes me wonder if you are alive. Have you not noticed how our own weather pattern and the time of year for the seasons has changed? It’s now so obvious I don’t know who could miss it, even the blind can feel and notice those simple differences.
Anyway, I’m not going to try and force you into enlightening your capacity for brain power. You are a big boy and have dedided that, for whatever reason, you want to remain in the dark.
This video is good for discussion and for those who do want to know what is happening and it’s from a reasonable source.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVadMNWS_mE
Planet changes are not unusual in the big picture, when we look at how earth has made dramatic alterations to its form over the billions of years we know it’s existed. I guess it’s similar to Madonna, it reinvents itself when the need takes it.
Watch this tectonic Europe video. It’s really great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlXtsbdPssY
1. Heat flows from the hot to the cold.
Here’s an experiment. Turn on a stove. Heat a frying pan as hot as possible on the stove. You might the temperature up to 200C, or 473K.
Now your hand is at 300K. It’s cooler than the frying pan.
So put your hand on the frying pan. Which gets hotter? Your hand, or the frying pay.
It’s the same when you spout this rubbish
“The heating of the planet is as a result of the change in the earths atmos(p)here, creating a heating of its core. ”
The core is at 5000K. You can get a bit of the flavor when parts of the mantel, not the core, erupts in a volcano. You might have noticed that lava is hot. Far hotter than the atmosphere.
Heat flows from the hot to the cold.
Now here’s another little experiment for you.
Go down a deep mine. You will notice that the deeper you go, the hotter it gets. According to your theory, it should be the other way. Hotter at the surface cooler underneath.
how our own weather pattern and the time of year for the seasons has changed?
That is Easter that has changed; there may be a reason.
The arguments mentioned are based on far wider scientific observations than even a change in UK weather, which is unchanged, in its variations.
The winters have been cold in the last three years compared with the last 20 or so.
Where is the science in making an observation like that?
The trouble with the male of the species is, they ignore their given sense of awareness, or, instinct.
And as far as science is concerned, isn’t that also a man thing, when it comes to the obvious. You cling relentlessly to the notions of those who will not be specific or tell you anything other than, it’s my theory. And we all know theory is nothing other than projections of ideas they want to to cling to….. and have you cling to them as well.
LOL
My awareness is not projection it is purely observation of the obvious. Akin tothis woman.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/8872078/Climate-change-affects-the-seasons-autumn-doesnt-know-if-its-coming-or-going.html
green alarmists now talk of ‘climate change’
There is no doubt that the Icelandic volcano changed the weather patterns possibly for some years ahead.
The Dorset parish council who are in Cahoots with a Aviation campaigner who lives in their village and is paid by the Aviation authority to campaign against ANY noise except overhead aircraft noise from the rapidly expanding over land flight path from Bournemouth airport, have issued statements to say that the proposed wind turbines near Tolpuddle in Dorset, are to be 137m high.
I can not somehow imagine that any set of 8 wind turbines in the UK will all be as high as the Euston Tower, even if they are insistent that there should be heavy aircraft noise going overhead all through the summer to Greece and Spain and so forth.
It certainly seems as though they are keener to have the noise of low flying aircraft overhead than they are to enjoy the spectacle of wind turbines gracefully turning
even in the slightest wind!
I suspect however that intelligence challenged “Independent” (ie reactionary deference vote tory) councillors were, and are, unable to distinguish between 137metres and 137feet, and even that, however keen they are to have low flying aircraft overhead to spoil the peace of the Dorset countryside from east to very west!
The fact of aircraft noise has been established by the successful camapign, now for the real noise!
And yet the planning application is for………………… Windturbines!
As we say in Welsh “Ciwt Eh!” (That may be spelt differently in dorset dialect)
Too late;
too little.
It is past time to UN-Legislate and Enforce
“rationing”
equally by of and for every human being in The Global Lifeplace
and both sustainworthily and millions-oif-years sustainably, in The Global Workplace.
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Either that or prepare to “euthanasiate” a total of 5 billion human beings in the next ten years.
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The ‘alternative’ should be un-acceptable :
the whole human-race, together with most of the Lifesupports we are “surviving” upon,
will continue and accelerate irreversibly down the human-governances-co-planned slippery-slope to
Extinction.
euthanasiate” a total of 5 billion human beings in the next ten years.
There might not be that much mercy in the killing, in the only way that might be done. A few million would survive untouched.
Nearly all would die instantly or with a very painful death, so MJSd’s plan is not on the cards.
GHH has tried to ‘torpedo’ the need to euthanasially reduce our ‘plague’ numbers, 7 billion runaway-rising to 11 billion by 2050, to a longest-term sustainworthy-survival-and-thrival number, which looks to be maximum 3 billion as at circa 2008.
(Admittedly this voluntary-cum-‘lottery’ Mercy-Self-&-Assisted Euthenasing, of 5 or 6 billion big-human-animals, spread over a mere ten years, might seem comparitively ‘drastic’ alongside human-history’s Mutual, Mass, and Genocidal killings-off, to date;
but as the cognitively reliable Sherlock Holmes reasons
“Eliminate all factors and what remains must be the Truth…”)
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Yet ‘by default’ and ‘omission’, GHH supports the alternative:
“the whole human-race, plus many other Lifeforms-in-Train, must continue down the ever slipperier slope, to Total Extinction”.
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Has GHH been unawarely ‘sucked-in’ and trapped,
by just a longstanding one of the “new” Tory-cum-LibDem Big-Battlecries:
“We’re All In This Together” ?
If so, the ‘Aussie’ in me says “Go for your life” GHH;
weren’t the chained-up black slaves on our world-leading British “international-trade-business” ships also ‘recruited’ ?
to be “All In This Together” ?
We already have a national smart grid system but not at the at the substation level where electricity is supplied to homes and business. At the national level power stations run on standby ready to meet demand when needed. It is a delicate balancing act that can be undermined by green energy.
Electrical power at this level is an internal market and energy suppliers will often wait until prices rise before they bring their stations online. This is often the case with power stations that are not as efficient as newer ones. It is in the energy providers’ interests to keep prices high in order to make it economical to run inefficient power stations especially gas ones. There are political tradeoffs involved.
So why do substations need to be smart?
The national grid feeds electricity into substations and it is distributed to homes along three wires called phases. Each home is connected to a phase along with a ground wire or neutral. These wires can run for many kilometers from the substation loosing voltage all of the way. Energy providers however must keep consumer voltages within prescribed set limits.
They do this by setting the voltage near to its upper limit for premises near to the substation so that at the end of the wire the voltage will be just above the lower limit. The ideal situation would be to have the same voltage at both ends of the wire.
Here is where green energy proves challenging and why energy providers don’t like it. Take a number of solar panel arrays near to the substation. As the voltage is near to its upper limit the extra energy being pushed into the wire raises it further to the point where it may exceed the required limit.
This wastes consumer energy and can cause premature failure in electrical equipment. At the other end of the wire the voltage rises but to somewhere near the norm. However in each case more energy is consumed than is strictly necessary. A further complication arises when the power supplied in the three wires becomes unbalanced. Substation efficiency falls due to heat losses in the substation transformers.
Making substations smart is difficult to achieve because transformer connections are hard wired. An alternative would be to place the ‘smart grid’ in the home using AC-AC converters especially on or near solar power installations. These keep the consumer voltage at a ‘constant’ set point raising or lowering it in response to the level of the incoming substation voltage.
Ref: NEMA: Smart Grid & Cyber Security
http://www.nema.org/policy/energy/smartgrid/Pages/default.aspx
IEC 61850 in the Joint EURELECTRIC-EDSO
Smart Grid Position Paper
http://blog.iec61850.com/2013/02/iec-61850-in-joint-eurelectric-edso.html
Interesting comments Senex; Merci.
Some difficult but useful links:
The European Commission’s Joint Research Centre (JRC) operates seven scientific institutes one of which is the Institute for Energy and Transport (IET).
“The mission of the JRC-IET is to provide support to European Union policies and technology innovation to ensure sustainable, safe, secure and efficient energy production, distribution and use and to foster sustainable and efficient transport in Europe.”
ESTI is a European reference laboratory for the verification of the power and energy generation of photovoltaic devices through the development of experimental methods suitable for international standardisation.
The Photovoltaic Geographical Information System (PVGIS) provides a map-based inventory of solar energy resource and assessment of the electricity generation from photovoltaic systems in Europe, Africa, and South-West Asia.
A PVGIS web app allows the calculation of solar panel output values for any given location or latitude in Europe presenting its output as a text file of watts for the time of day for theoretical maximum, the observable norm and the theoretical minimum for hazy skies.
All UK solar installations operating under the FIT Scheme are under performing because no account is taken of the theoretical maximum insolation/irradiance for the latitude. Government pays out less money and energy providers minimise the adverse affects of green energy on their not so smart substations.
Ref: JRC Project Browser:
Your gateway to JRC Work Programme Actions
http://projects.jrc.ec.europa.eu/jpb_public/mainMenu.html
Institute for Energy and Transport (IET)
http://iet.jrc.ec.europa.eu/
European Solar Test Installation (ESTI)
http://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/esti/
Photovoltaic Geographical Information System (PVGIS)
http://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvgis/
PVGIS: Performance of Grid-connected PV Application
http://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvgis/apps4/pvest.php
@Senex:
Geothermal energy is one answer, but, for some reason the British are not interested in following that route.
Now why is that? Could it be the rip off factor isn’t as easy as it is with the Nuclear route.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRAQrDduaU0
This is used and has been for years, in America, Iceland, Norway, New Zealand and so on.
what is wrong with this country, are they unable to think at all?
Geothermal energy is one answer, but, for some reason the British are not interested in following that route. It has been used in Bath, and other Spa towns for many years.
If Maude is refering to “Ground souce heat pumping” I should say that it is a very expensive method indeed, but which suits homes with plenty of space and a wide divergence of temperature between ground level and a few metres down. The Swedes like it, for that reason.
@GHH:
Nonsense.
I have a couple of friends and aquaintances who changed from oil fired heating to georthermal. And guess what, yes, it wasn’t cheap to put in , but not so expensive they couldn’t consider it. And now, four years later, they are very happy with it. Their heating bill per annum went down from £1,100 to £300.00. Took away their fear of turning up the warmth and keeps gran in comfort.
So, as far as it goes, it’s no more expensive than nuclear. And as the by products are non existent, meaning there isn’t mounds of nuclear waste to get rid of, by firing it in rockets into the sun, LOL, I’d say this is the way any sane man would go.
Indeed! Indeed! Senex likes to get his research right before he does anything…. wise.
A PVGIS web app allows the calculation of solar panel output values
Without mentioning any names and being anonymous, a fairly near neighbour, a retired navy rear admiral, erected about 30m sq of very expensive looking solar panels on his roof, in a blaze of enthusiasm, so I did my own research by the cm2 intead of by the big idea and found the webApp or similar above, which is useful.
The key word, of which I was unaware, is
AZIMUTH. Due south is 0* azimuth. Due east or west is -90*. North is -180*
In the south west of England, if you do not have due south Azimuth, having solar panels is a complete and utter, and very expensive, waste of money.
Even if you do, it is still expensive.
There are things about sunbathing in the garden, year by year, which can be helpful.
One is ,that with only a little study, one can determine the precise reach of the sun on to house and garden at all times of year.
The solar panel craze is one of the worst of all the crazes so far.
After my Azimuth research, I decided that I needed to build a garden wall. It is about -35* azimuth, with a few metres of 0*azimuth.
My fig tree will go at 0*, My cold frames
at -35*, and my profit on the fig tree will probably, fruit permitting, be a good deal better than that on any solar panel, at 10 times the price.
I could use a small solar panel and lead acid battery to store the sun’s energy for soil warming cables on a thermostat, for very cold nights, such as we have had recently.
Domestic Solar panels? A craze of extraordinary large proportions.
On a due south facing roof, they might do ok, but take sun warmth away from the loft of the house, in cold weather.
I have even seen one or two North facing solar panels on roofs!!!! Now there is enthusiasm for you!!
@GHH:
For an empty vessel you certainly enjoy playing a twot.
Resentful are we? Washed up? Mmmm?
Geothermal would do nicely in our environment. Especially our unheated stately homes. Those poor deprived bleaters in our House of Lords have to dress in bed of a morning. The way I see it, cheap, thermal, unpolluting heat, would be a good way to get them into that big House on the Thames before 11.30am to do a full day for their tax burden pay off.
Nuclear is a killer and only fools with stooge like minds would contemplate such disastrous, forever polluting and hugely expensive, non ending burden for this ‘nation.’ The same nation we mustn’t mention, as the two wheeled dope from Dorset can’t handle a plate that size. Except a PC global barnyard plate that is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9uSx5q8k5w
And
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KQZiKhZUss
Have a little back hander on the side you don’t want disturbed by other options creeping in, do we?
Maude you are being unfair and rude to Gareth. You see the problem relates to the upper crust. No not themselves but the thickness of the earth’s crust. It’s alright being assertive about geothermal energy and its potential. Make your business case and back it up with real science.
The earth might be viewed as a solar mass trapped beneath miles of rock. It has a solid nickel-iron core surrounded by a liquid metal ‘photosphere’ were gravity assisted fusion takes place? If the heat source were fission things would have gone cold eons ago.
The liquid part of the core is ‘strange’ and is changing. If one accepts the principle of gravity assisted fusion then increased amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere are going to make things hotter by increasing compression. As the core becomes more fluid its magnetic properties begin to break down allowing the magnetic poles to flip or for multiple magnet domains to establish themselves. This gives multiple NS magnetic poles all over the place. Think about bird and butterfly migrations.
The ground sourced heat pumps that Gareth mentions are not as expensive as he suggests. They use something called a ‘Stirling Engine’ to recover very low grade heat. Now Lord Hylton styles himself as a self employed farmer. He has the land but not necessarily the money or enthusiasm to use ground sourced heat pumps and he is hardly likely to open a temple of ‘Aqua Sulis’ or ‘Minerva’ and heat the baths using the ‘Beli’ of the underworld; but then again if it means money coming in?
Now women, hot air and heated irrational emotion?
@Senex:
Yes, I may have been ‘a little’ rude. Admonishment not necessary. I felt guilt on pressing the post comment button. Which, if this site was up to date and usd the techonology it has at its fingertips, by giving us an edit button, then, perhaps, this would not have remained a thorn in the side.
Geothermal Energy:
These youtube visitors put the case for it far better than I could. It is a must for the emerging need for humans to be clean as well as self sufficient. Cost is no greater than nuclear. And in the real world, will be far less expensive in the long run.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgObnqrsTMU
And
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=1C_4fanmxns&feature=endscreen
With two smart men to tell us all about it and why it is preferable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJVDsNvONHA