It is time for party games as the party conference season is in full swing. The House of Lords is not yet due to resume, ostensibly in order to allow space to attend the party conferences in September, but I would be surprised if attendance from peers is that high. Certainly we crossbenchers have no party conference to attend. Some say, as does Lord Hodgson in his blog, that the conferences are of less value than they used to be because they are so stage managed. It is also the case that they are expensive: I understand that attendance would cost a delegate about £700 for fare, accommodation, registration and so on, so that there must be a certain exclusivity in attendance profile. To the observer, they seem less spontaneous than was once the case. But when all is said and done, the conference is an excellent showcase for the rest of the nation, because we are all able to see what is planned by the parties, who the stars are, who the scapegoats, and what is the mood of the party. The conference enables some politicians and activists to speak direct to the nation in a non-parliamentary setting and on balance that is very useful.
I noted a report in the Sunday Times today that the shadow defence secretary promises that Labour will help working class parents have middle class children, “kids who do better than them”, he said. This struck me as odd. Indeed, aspirational parents of whatever class and background want their children to do as well or better than them. But middle class? the squeezed middle? why would anyone want to join that class? They are lambasted on all sides. The middle class, we are told, have sharp elbows when it comes to pushing their children into the best schools and universities; they are depicted by J.K. Rowling in her latest novel as snobs and bourgeois; politicians say they are over represented in higher education; they ought to be soaked when it comes to income tax and mansions, according to the LibDems; they should not be in receipt of free bus passes, prescriptions and winter fuel allowances; they should be raiding their pension funds to finance homes for their children; they drink too much; they are helping others dodge tax by paying them in cash; they are polluting the atmosphere by driving 4x4s on school runs and flying to the ski slopes in half term; they monopolise the best suburbs and Sure Start childcare, and on and on. So why would anyone want to urge their children to join these despised middle classes? and if we are all to be middle class what sort of new pecking order will emerge, for one there must be?
But when all is said and done, the conference is an excellent showcase for the rest of the nation, because we are all able to see what is planned by the parties
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You’re having a Giraffe.
We aren’t told what is planned. We aren’t even told the facts of the mess.
Here’s your challenge. What’s the official figure (or even a guess) as to the present value of the state pension debts?
Now its a bit of a spoof question, because it shows that your statement about what is planned is a complete lie. We aren’t told.
You’re involved in a fraud whether your realize it or not. Taking money from people for the state pension, whilst planning on not paying out. Also check out section 2 of the fraud act about false accounting. ie. Not revealing hidden debts, applies to the government just as much as private organisation.
[Unlike your exemption from money laundering rules. Why would you need that?]
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we are all to be middle class what sort of new pecking order will emerge, for one there must be?
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You on the top, living of the sweat of others, but subject to no democratic control. Isn’t that your new world order?
Labour will help working class parents have middle class children, “kids who do better than them”, he said. This struck me as odd.
It is the generalisation which is odd, and any way how could a working class guttersnipe do worse? The lock up perhaps, or are the criminal trades and classes … worse?!
Indeed, aspirational parents of whatever class and background want their children to do as well or better than them.
Ah! Marie Antoinette!
But middle class? the squeezed middle? why would anyone want to join that class?
It would be better to go to Australia even now! The lucky country. Or if you are really determined go to South America and assume a different culture a ll together!
There must be some Housing Association dwellers who would like to own the whole of their own home, or even move up to a larger house!
I read somewhere years ago that you belong to the class that you think you belong to, and it has stood me in good stead ever since, until I went to a Tory cocktail party in Chelsea by mistake and realized, vanity upon vanity, that I probably had better qualities of character, and a better way of life, than any of them,(except Maude) and was…..by general consent of the cheese eaters…. working class!
Bad manners, by contrast, has something to do with bedroom sex.
I sense a threatening new evil insidiously engulfing not just the Middle-and-Lower Classes, but The Establishment-and-Upper Classes in particular,
like a ‘Tower-of-Babble’
or a ‘Bountiful-Benefits-Bubble’.
The noble baroness intimates
“despised middle classes”
“the SQUEEZED middle”
It appears that
“A pecking order there must be;
so if we are all to be middle class [*]
what sort of ‘new pecking order’ will emerge ?”
M’lady,
insidiously and dangerously hidden is an Old pecking-order,
or rather ‘Midas-order’,
that must cause increasing crashes, and ‘mudslides-into-the-Sea’,
of those who are Class-Deluded into believing, and blood-lettingly warring to secure and entrench,
that as an individual human-beings they are each entitled to be given and to demand from both the Civilisational Common Purse and The Natural Lifesupportive Environment
MULTIPLE numbers of human-livings
(each, ‘earning’, ‘deserving’, ‘needing’, and unassailably, unquestionably “privately” ‘entitled-to’,
many more human-livings than the legislated or ‘naturally-necessary-and-sufficient’ one).
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A New Pecking Order is already beginning to show up, worldwide:
that the Equation
One-human-being = Many-human-beings
is flawed,
outrightly false,
and is a “new evil Bubble[**]” that
if not radically-deflated and brought under sustainable-&-sustainworthy Control
must surely burst
possibly worse than an “Arab Spring”, “Arab Winter”, “Asteroid-strike”,
“Killer-virus-pandemic” and/or a “Third-World-War”, .
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[ * compare-contrast with G & S’s
“There Lived A King – ‘when every-one is some-bodee……. Then no-one’s any-body”].
[** = If you prefer the ‘Tower-of-Babble’ metaphor, then we, including the Most-Sustainworthy-Lower-Classes, the More-More-More-Middle-Classes, and the God’s-Own-High-and-Eternal-Establishmentarian-Classes,
all are overdue for a Collapse of both the Floorboards and the Ceiling).
This strikes me as another enormous con of the British people.
Miliband went to Harvard, USA, which is more expensive than Eton. He is an immigrant who looks like he has just arrived. He is still locked in a biblical war with his brother, akin to Isaac. So, we can expect a Brown/Blair tussle once again. What fun.
The next in line is the wife of the dodgy Blair enabler Balls. She, another Kennedy scholarship winner to Harvard, the American finishing school for our political icons. Oh, and her Dad, a Union man, was appointed by the Conservatives in some kind of post for energy. All in it together. One party.
Then we have the spivish wide boy, Chukka Umunna. Now he is definitely not a middle class boy foisted on the political scene by being in with a crowd of big money is he? LOL. No, of course not. He is simply another relative of the boys in law and was educated at an independent school and then straight into a law firm specializing in ‘big business.’ Hiding his middle class privilege under his Saville Row suits badly, he is not doing a good job of being one of the struggling poor of London. But he is being sung as the new Obama. Get ready for the snow job. Like we need one.
So, where is all this piggy in the middle coming from? There is no pig in the middle of this lot, they are all professional politicians, without the slightest commitment or sense of conviction, any more than the Blair creature.
So, what we are getting is simply another round of phoney pretenders, incapable of leading us anywhere as they sit waiting for the money backing them and showing them how to perform.
It’s going to get worse not better. Hold onto your hat.
Watch out for Vaz. That’s getting interesting.
Now who exempted MPs and Peers from money laundering regulations and why?
We’ve already had one minister launder money with a 4 day mortgage for hubbies proceeds of a crime.
@Blagger:
Who invented the top money launderers from facing criminality charges? Take a guess?
Why, New Labour’s Blair creature of course….And who is benefiting from it handsomely? Why the ‘Blair creature’ of course. As well as his chums both sides of the Atlantic, who run their cash through UK enablers. Do some research of New Labour policies with banks, corporations and the City. And look at when the huge bonuses began to really wrench the cash from this countries tax payer. The Brave New Socialist party paved the way for them all.
Cayman Islands, British Virgin Islands, Isle of Man, Jersey, Guernsey, I could go on, but, you get the picture.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DT-DTQke58
And elsewhere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P1Z2mTCfLE
Who invented the top money launderers from facing criminality charges?
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invented? Not sure what you mean by that.
However, why do Peers need an exemption from money laundering regulations?
There is only one conclusion. Amongst them there are a large enough number engaged in money laundering to command a majority to get it passed.
Or to be in cahoots with those that are
Or to stupid to realise they have been lead down the garden path to vote that way. In which case why are we paying stupid people to be ‘experts’?
@LB:
The word was meant to say exempted. I messed up.
Now here is an old chestnut used by Tories in respect of the humiliation of the poor. They constantly use the term, ‘the politics of envy’ and that ‘Labour’ should not be encouraging division in society by pressing the fact that those who keep their money in tax havens don’t pay the same percentage level as an honest person on a pittance does per annum. That to incite this hatred creates a policy of envy which divides a nation.
Now that is rich coming from a government who has spent those last years since its part mandate to govern, intensely creating the politics of disgust, hate and, yes, envy, toward those who do not or cannot work. Those who are sick and drawing DLA benefit or simply those who have fallen out of work, in thousands, for no fault of their own. These people having paid for benefits during their working lives that have fraudulently been removed by this bunch of fat cats sitting in the Commons remembering their happy days as privileged Oxford club members.
Perhaps when they stop the name calling and the suffering they create by this illiterate and disgusting resentment, then perhaps the tax dodgers of their grouping may get a break. Otherwise, I feel, they will undoubtedly see more exposure of their hidden coffers for all to witness and levy against.
or are the criminal trades and classes … worse?! The criminal classes are lower than working class, but hoping to retire to the Costas after a big win. They might even end up on the heath land with other unfortunates.
That is not to say they do anything any different from those who cajole and persuade
at their desks in the city, although robbery with violence is deprecated by city suited professionals.
Each of all of the above contains at least one Issue (big-issue)
that is directly the result of one or other of the variously entrenched or opportunistic
“Private”-Rights,
of Constitutional, Govern-mental, Marketplaces, and Religiously-persuaded, Wrong-habits
that feel so Right; oh! so constitutionally-and ever-rising-sharemarket “Right” !
and which provide the Judiciaries and Legal professions of human-civilisations with Costs and Fees for defending/prosecuting, winning/losing, on a daily basis one such Class’s obscene-greeds against another’s.
For never in human-history was so much human-disability caused by so few,
Singing-from-Different-Song-Books,
and generating Enmity between,
Constitutional, Govern-mental, Market-place, and Religious-Beliefs/Rituals/Ethics ,
as is being caused in this ‘new global-cooperation era’ –
merely, but oh! so dominantly and underminingly,
by ‘private’-constitutionalisms
and their resulting Gordian-Knotly-Entangled
Longest-Term-Destructive
and currently Wasteful-&-Impairingly-Imbalancing
“Best-Practices”.
Dear Baronness
I hope one day some day, Junior Lords such as participants on that blog might be recruited and I am sure that it would be an avantage for both lords and parliament.
God save the Queen,and the lords. God bless the United Kingdom.
Nazma FOURRE
Perhaps when they stop the name calling and the suffering they create by this illiterate and disgusting resentment, then perhaps the tax dodgers of their grouping may get a break. Otherwise, I feel, they will undoubtedly see more exposure of their hidden coffers for all to witness and levy against.
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So Maude.
Why has disability rocketed from 1 million to 2.5.
You need to explain why 1.5 million people have been crippled?
Now most people have worked out that they aren’t disabled. They have been labelled as disabled for political expediency.
I do have concerns about the 1 million who do need help. I don’t have concerns about the 1.5 who don’t.
The main concern for the 1 million is that they are going to lose government help. Not because of a ‘nasty government’. It’s far simpler.
The state is bankrupt. Pure and simple. It’s running a fraud.
So you have a choice. It’s going to be welfare for the 1.5 million, and even that is going to go, or you choose not to pay the state pension (and there won’t be a choice of welfare).
That’s a truly horrific set up, and its going to happen. The question is who to blame, who to jail in my opinion. There are 1400-1500 people to blame. MPs and Peers. All need to be incarcerated on some bleak Scottish island for life, in tents with slop buckets. For their own protection.
@Blagger:
Your question has been answered on another thread.
And you need to come clean about your part in all of this open hatred of the disadvantaged. What was your Mum then? Surely not of royal blood. You don’t have the vocabulary for it. How many of your family are or were receiving hand outs?
LB,
I am so sad that you are not a lord yet and it is not by critizing their principles that you could be one. You might fit in the position of a Junior Lord if you can be a little less offensive .Please don’t harass them any more by some remarks which are quite upsetting.
Baronness Deech
I hope her Majesty hears my little voice on this blog of the importance of the recruitment of Junior Lords .The importance of the recruitment or appointment of Junior Lords is to help the lords in paper works and with some secretarial duties:telephone and fax answering and with some other clerical matters such as postage. With this process, Junior Lords could also participate in some debates, advising Lords. I hope that recruitment of Junior Lords can be widely opened to the European community.
God save the Queen and the Lords. God bless the United Kingdom.
Nazma FOURRE .
Offensive?
For people involved in a massive fraud, I’m subdued.
For the Mods.
1. Section 2 of the 2006 fraud act. It’s illegal to produce a false set of accounts to induce people to pay money.
2. The state tells people to make voluntary contributions to the state pension and the state second pension.
3. Neither are on the books. [As is your pension by the way]
4. The reason for not booking them according to the treasury – they will change the law not to pay out.
5. If they have to change the law, under current law its a legal debt.
6. Not booking a legal debt is fraud.
7. Government states it accounts are according to FRS and GAAP. That means the debts should be there. They aren’t.
It’s a fraud.
LB,
I am quite amused to see your sweet frustration about debts and fraud which you only seem to be aware of. I am quite impressed and curious about where you are collecting data if it is not from one commoner who wants you to rise this subject matter, in the blog of the Lords. I shall rather you discuss this subject matter namely about debt not written in the book with the government himself. Lords are not responsible for any wrong administration in parliament. So in the name of heaven, stop harassing them.Bring sufficient proofs and links of what you are saying and ask for an appointment with a commoner to discuss things that are so much offending your simple mind.I don’t think that United Kingdom is entitled to pay me any pension so the word “you” is wrongly chosen.
Hope one day, some day you will be a lord. I am just blessing you to be one for I am so sad to see your continuous unhappiness.As say this usual saying “smile and the whole world will smile with you,cry and no one will cry with you”. So smile dear friend,though you are unhappy as you seem to be overburdened.If you are going under hard time, all the participants here are standing besides you as some spiritual friends to understand your nastiness. Deception is part of life and sometimes bruises help one to go on further in this temporary trip which is life itself. So come on, cheer up, dry your frozen tears and smile.Your world and the way you will see things will be different.
God bless thee.
God save the Queen and the Lords. God bless the United Kingdom.
Nazma FOURRE