Health and Social Care Bill

Lord Soley

This Bill finally completed its weary journey through the House of Lords yesterday. I am still trying to work out whether the Government was mad or bad in pushing it through.

It is bad because it will increase bureaucracy and costs without improving front line services. It is mad because the Government has alienated the very people it wanted to please – the NHS workers and the public. There are some good things in the Bill but they could have been done under the existing flexible legislation. The Bill was unnecessary.

So was the Government  mad or bad to bring in this Bill? My money is on mad. When political party’s try and please the voters on a specific issue and then upset the majority of them I count that as mad.

7 comments for “Health and Social Care Bill

  1. Lord Blagger
    20/03/2012 at 10:53 am

    Or it doesn’t have a choice in the matter.

    How is it going to pay its debts of 7,000 bn on taxation of 550 bn?

    Labour’s legacy.

    End result is cuts, cuts and more cuts.

    Growth doesn’t work. Consider the median unemployed person. They are only likely to get a min wage job. So the gain to the government finances is 2.5K in taxation, and not paying benefits. Benefits around the 12K mark when you include income support and housing benefit. Round it up and call it 15K for each unemployed person found work.

    Get a million back to work, and the government gains 15 bn.

    The deficit is 150 bn.

    Growth won’t cut it.

    The consequences are very simple, its just cuts, and that means the NHS.

  2. maude elwes
    20/03/2012 at 11:06 am

    What is needed is the report on what can, and have no doubt will, go wrong once the changes are in full effect. Already chaos is among us. Our GP practice is out of its depth.

    Obviously this government does not want to reveal what is in the report they are hiding from the public, for fear of reprisals. This bunch are cheats, and want to play with our lives in the dark, why do you doubt it? And more importantly, why are you putting up with it?

  3. maude elwes
    20/03/2012 at 2:09 pm

    This government is selling the NHS to an American company with global connections called Mckinsey & Co. This is a company that promotes the spread of manopoly groups. It was founded in 1926 and is now a manopoly in its field. Labour, under Blair, began using private concerns, via this groups suggestions when he was in power. So it is nothing new. Using these people will destroy the NHS. it cannot do other. And that isthe intention. No matter how they word it.

    However, it is now suggested that the Lords have a heavy influence in seeing this Bill through, as a large percentage of them are out to gain financially from it. The safeness of any bill under these conditons would have to be questioned seriously.

    This is one of the very crucial reasons the Lords should be elected and not appointed as this would help curtail future interests of this kind.

    It is interesting to note these changes will only affect England and Wales, not Scotland. Alex Salmond says the intention is to ruin the NHS in every way and that ‘we’ should not let them.

    And here is a chilling information video. Look at those incompetents telling us, in as vague a way as possible, what is already under way and what is going to take place. This bill is only needed to rubber stamp what has already been put into practice. As the Blair wife was trying to tell us, all those months ago, when she set up with her American friend to sell health care to us in Sainsbury’s. They are all in it together. Nice money to be made.

    Take very strong note of the incredible naivete and stulted understanding these speakers show and how they repeat the mantra endlessly because they feel it sounds good. Take it in, for it is the end of health service as we understand it.

    It is a poor video but gets better. You will have to turn up the sound.

    GP’s in some areas are already withdrawing long term prescriptions from patients without informing those who are in need of them as to why and what is happening.

    To pass this reform bill is seriously going to damage our health care. Will those who are putting this through in such haste be forced into a realistic form of accountability. Will they have to pay out of their own pockets for the damage they are doing?

    I hope so.

  4. Gareth Howell
    20/03/2012 at 6:40 pm

    Rubber stamp for work done, and computer systems installed.

  5. Gareth Howell
    20/03/2012 at 6:47 pm

    The Health and Social Care Bill (2011) outlines the proposed new commissioning architecture for the NHS, which will devolve responsibility for the majority of commissioning to local clinical commissioning groups. The clinical commissioning groups will be supported and held to account by an independent NHS Commissioning Board.

    And did.

    This refers to the commissioning of the Computer systems now up and running in every
    GP surgery.

    Would Lord Soley prefer them to have been left uncommissioned?

    It sometimes amazes me how people can cr*p on about a Bill for hours, and still know nothing whatsoever about it, nor have done any research in to what has been done.

  6. tory boy
    20/03/2012 at 8:55 pm

    When the Labour front bench in both houses conduct themselves in such a shallow manner it is no surprise they are in such a political mess.

  7. MilesJSD
    22/03/2012 at 3:39 am

    There is something ‘unclear’ about your use of the terms
    “(The Health and Social Care Bill)…is mad because the government has alienated the very people it wanted to please – the NHS workers and ‘The Public'”

    (please refer to my submission to Baroness Murphy’s “Why Communications Gone Wrong” above)

    the points being that
    (1) The National Illnesses Sector (‘traditionally’ misnamed ‘National Health Service’)
    serves only Patients (not the normal and would-be-healthier-rather-than-pain-killed-ill, Public).

    (2) A distinctly health and longterm sustainworthy wellbeing service is needed
    (the NHS has never come anywhere near to being this kind of true Health service;
    it is far too intent upon, and evidently successful at, treating and ongoingly-managing most sorts of diseases and illnesses, even to having faithfully reliable ‘revolving-doors’ for all sorts and intensities of ‘chronic conditions’).

    (3) The ‘gold-greedy’ professional-pyramid is itself Deluded and unfit for Purpose…

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