9/11

Lord Soley

I watched some of the moving ceremonies on TV yesterday. Ithink it is important that we remember the horror of that attack and it should remind us that terrorism has enormous force today because of the nature of our interdependent world and the sheer power of modern technology.

Can we ever hope to live without the fear of catastrophic attacks of this nature?

14 comments for “9/11

  1. Twm O'r Nant
    12/09/2011 at 6:19 am

    Whilst there are nation states, there are terrorists……whilst there is globalism, there is globalist terror….

    The nuclear committee of NATO meets twice a year, or more often if necessary.

  2. maude elwes
    12/09/2011 at 2:12 pm

    Interdependent world? And that is the reason to remember this atrocity and how it came about? Or….

    Could it have anything to do with supporting corrupt individuals with minds akin to the Gaddafi’s in this interconnected planet? Or, maybe the funding of those who despise the lifestyle of the Western people could be a factor? Then, pehaps it could be, in some way, connected to the Palistinian affair and Bin Laden’s vow to bring the West to its knees financially, if the policy makers didn’t change their ways hurriedly?

    An outsider from space may believe he is well on his way to a winning position, as he swims aimlessly in the depths of the ocean, smiling from ear to ear. The wars, so loved by Blair and Bush for their personal money making opportunities, having bankrupted the State’s they headed, fell for it, hook line and sinker. Didn’t they? But maybe that is a mirage only a few can see?

  3. 12/09/2011 at 3:22 pm

    Lord Soley,
    I am not checking this data as I enter it and some of it may be wrong but it is mostly right. Beyond the huge loss of life and national prestige, fortunes and other things more reported — here are reasons why the US remembers 9/11 so well.

    Quite a few steel frame buildings entirely collapsed at the World Trade Center. There is no ther recorded instance of a steel frame building experiencing “total catastrophic collapse” from a fire anywhere in the world.

    A very large percentage of those killed were entirely pulverized — no remains or personal effects were ever recovered.

    The fire and toxic smoke of the WTC went on for months and there is no record of a structural fire anywhere on Earth lasting as long ever.

    The Pentagon had more money in more layers of airspace related defenses protecting it than probably any other spot in the history of the world and the hit was direct and substantial from the air in that facility.

    The fire abatemet plan in over-regulated New York City with layers of inspectors and bureaucrats was grossly inadequate on it face before the results were known in full.

    In Antietam our American casualties came as the fruit of a long march by two well publicized armies operating in our federal polity and coming out of years of political struggle. In Pearl Harbor we were attacked far from our main historical sites by an ancient warrior Empire that had relaticely recently defeated Russia and China and was giving the British Empire a great deal of misery. Those are our only really comparable days in terms of slaughter and when this day ended we did not even know who had hit us for certain.

    I think the world easily underestimates the effect that day had on American consciousness…

    • Frank W. Summers III
      12/09/2011 at 8:33 pm

      I still find myself a bit emotional when I write about this I suppose. The fact is there were a lot of battles in the Civil War and several in World War II when we lost more people than in 9/11, I did not mean to imply otherwise. However, the surprised bloodletting at Pearl Harbor and Antietam was more comparable. In addition, some of the more learned newscasters like George Wills were estimating casualties only surpassed by Antietam until it was discovered that firefighters had evacuated about 20,000 and that the WTC area had not reached peak usage before people stopped coming in. The day is very clear and yet when one writes of the memories it is still hard not to be distracted by all the feelings of that day…

      Other facts:

      1.Enemy casualties were about 20 people.
      2.We provided all the basic ammunition used against us.
      3.The economic cost of the reaction was itself enormous.
      6.Freedom of movement, a large aerospace sector, tall steel-frame buildings and other marks of the attack go very mush to the heart of American identity….

  4. josephprice1212
    12/09/2011 at 6:40 pm

    we cant really live withouth the catastrophic attacks because we have lots of problems with drug issuses and stuff if the talliban have and oppertunity of doing something like that they will.

  5. Twm
    12/09/2011 at 7:57 pm

    An extraordinary story of two men who were on the top storey and the top but three storey who met in the rubble at the bottom after it had collaspsed. It is hardly credible, and yet it must be true.

    The man on top floor may well have thought that being on top would allow him to do such a thing, in the way that one does clculate possibilities, and in so calculating correctly saved another man in the process, who is now his life long brother whom he had never had.

    Amazing and deeply moving.

    I wonder whether the good lady I spoke with in St James Park, who had such similar premonitions lived to tell the tale.
    It is hard not to go back to work, just on a premonition.

  6. Gareth Howell
    12/09/2011 at 8:00 pm

    An extraordinary story of two men who were on the top storey and the top but three storey who met in the rubble at the bottom after it had collaspsed. It is hardly credible, and yet it must be true.

    The man on top floor may well have thought that being on top would allow him to do such a thing, in the way that one does clculate possibilities, and in so calculating correctly saved another man in the process, who is now his life long brother whom he had never had.

    Amazing and deeply moving.

    I wonder whether the good lady I spoke with in St James Park, who had such similar premonitions lived to tell the tale.
    It is hard not to go back to work, just on a premonition.

  7. ladytizzy
    12/09/2011 at 10:38 pm

    Few in the world can have grown up without at least a recognition that terrorism exists. It is still not clear what constitutes an attack by a terrorist either on the person or the state despite the best efforts of the last UK gvt.

    In quick turn, both 9/11 and Oklahoma City attacks brought the horror borne by so many outside of the USA to their doorstep; it appeared to many that the time for a change of policy had eventually arrived.

    The ceremonies were, as ever, poignant. It is at least as sad that, say, the Beslan atrocity has not been commemorated but how many ceremonies would there have to be in order for the world to remember all who have been lost to terrorism?

  8. Graham
    12/09/2011 at 11:08 pm

    Of course we should remember this terrible attack and those who were murdered.

    However, I do not live in fear. If I did I would feel the terrorists had won.

    It is the fear, and the lack of leadership from politicians in denouncing that fear, which has led to the terrible revocation of long held rights and freedoms which are the basis of our democracies and our free societies.

  9. MilesJSD
    milesjsd
    13/09/2011 at 2:06 am

    I am wholly resonant with your concerns.
    Nonetheless, once again (further to Lord Soley’previous on “Arctic Convoys”)

    please read

    pages 1 – 23 of Mark Steyn’s “After America”.

    (Issues far far more serious than 9/11 are under-way and hideously hidden and possibly already ‘past the point of no return’).

    • maude elwes
      14/09/2011 at 5:42 pm

      As a real eye opener, try: America and the Imperialism of Ignorance: US foreign policy since 1945 by Andrew Alexander.

      http://www.amazon.co.uk/America-Imperialism-Ignorance-foreign-policy/dp/1849541043

      • MilesJSD
        milesjsd
        15/09/2011 at 1:45 am

        Hardly a “real eye opener” when Amazon, the puiblisher or the author
        will not let you “see inside” before buying the (date of publication hidden) thing !

        Isn’t that simply a further instance of the Life-blind Western top-down, minimal-democracy, individually-capita;istic, Earth_Lifesupports extincting & destroying, hierarchical luxury and power greed pyramid, using the same old
        “treat the People carefully, like mushrooms – keep them in the dark and feed them plenty of bulls**t” ?

        • maude elwes
          15/09/2011 at 11:39 am

          @Miles: You may find the bullshit in this tome is cut to the quick.

          The research is not run of the mill. I was astonished at some of the information and that is a rarity!

  10. Twm O'r Nant
    15/09/2011 at 9:24 am

    How can people in Kentucky possibly know where
    England is? Is that ignorant? They know where California and Florida are. “Ain’t tha’ enurf?”

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