…was a Labour Party MP from 1979, first for the constituency of Hammersmith North, then Hammersmith and finally Ealing, Acton and Shepherd’s Bush from 1997 to 2005. He was Chair of the Parliamentary Labour Party from 1997 to 2001. In 2005 it was announced that he would be given a life peerage, and on 29 June 2005 he was created Baron Soley, of Hammersmith in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham.
He enjoys walking, photography and scuba diving. He has been blogging since 2003 and has played a leading role in developing this blog.
“We use Islamism here to mean…far-right extremism…”
or have I quoted out of context?
The noble Lord is as always barking up a tree, but on this occasion I am not sure it is the right one.
The only basis for his saying he is a terrorist, (and having killed party workers)
Could be his being from one of the several very small ethnic minorities (Finnic/Turkic?)
with their own very marginally spoken languages.
This would make him comparable with the Serbo-Croat speaking communities whose “leaders” genocidally murdered several hundred Muslim men at Srevrenica in the 1990s.
If he were a speaker of a severely threatened language, and there are officially recognised languages in Scandinavia, spoken by only a few thousand people, if he were, then his insanity would be explicable, but insanity
in terms of the modern nation state, none the less.
You might say that Karadzic (the consultant pstchiatrist by trade) and his general are/were insane; it would not make any difference to the seriousness of the crimes.
Karadzic’s crime was “High crime”; his general’s crimes were merely war crimes of a particularly nasty and massacring,murderous kind.
His crimes are identical, if planned in greater detail, and of more people, than the Norwegian spree killer.
In Norway a decision must have been taken not shoot him dead on the spot. The reasons of ethnic and linguistic identity may have had some thing to do with it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbo-Croatian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Norway
Official languages
Norwegian (the written standards Bokmål and Nynorsk).
Five Uralic languages – Finnish, South Sami, Lule Sami, North Sami and Kven – are additional official languages of some municipalities.
(wiki search for those named language ethnicities)
He is described as ethnic Norwegian, which means that he is less Norwegian than he is ethinic.
He may have exactly the same problems as Karadzic whose ggf was the folklorist and writer
of the 19thc Croatia.
This man’s anti-globalism is based on the linguistic and cultural annihilation, that his ethnic group may confront. There really is no need to worry the rest of the world with the what is ethnic Norwegian and what is merely Norwegian. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Islamism or Muslims.
http://www.byig-wlb.org.uk/Pages/Hafan.aspx
(Welsh language board)
does fine work worldwide on ethnic minority languages, and their cultures.
There is a Welsh diaspora, but there would not be for a linguistic community of 4,000 Sami would there?!
By the standards of the modern nation state? Insane. But by the standards of a very small ethnic minority in Norway?
The violent nationalism of Plaid Cymru, in the 1950s/60s which describes itself as a Left wing nationalist movement today, is difficult enough to comprrehend. ( and left wing Scottish nationalism too), but for a man, whose ethnic community may amount to a few thousand,
(not the 150,000 of Welsh speaking Wales)but for a man to be able to decide whether he
is a right winger or a left winger, as a sole campaigner for an ethnic minoirty, would be impossible,
and yet to be confronted by his own cultural and linguistic annihliation from Norwegianism and globalism at every corner.
Forgive me! I intrude upon the PRIVATE grief of Norway. Asa recent German chancellor said
in a public lecture (I was in touch with his speech writer for the occasion)
That he would start his speech in the globalist language, did so, and then revert in to the more comfortable privacy of German, which he did.
A man who wants to make a statement to the world about his own dying ethnicity and cultural status, in his own language, is talking mainly to himself, and he will do, for the rest of his days, however long that may be.
That may be the restéd case for the killer.
I feel it is time for the UK to concern itself with what is happening here in relation to the immigrant population, and ask the major question, which is, why our consecutive governments have wanted to take our country from the once tolerant society it was, to the strident mayhem it is now? Why did they feel to change our society and culture dramatically, as it has, was a good move for our people? What made them decide to do this against the will of the majority here?
Chaos was created by naivety akin to the minds of infants, so we are led to believe, why did the entire Parliament go along with this? What was it about our heritage you despised so much you went to such lengths to make sure it would never be able to sustain our civilisation at the current rate of immigration and what goes with that?
Sharia laws are allowed to prosper here in our towns and cities. Women are abused and the matter is ignored. Forced marriage is encouraged and a blind eye turned to female circumcision. Benefits are given to bigamists to encourage them to continue with the practice. Why do you feel allowing this to continue is in our collective best interests? And if you don’t believe that, why are you not taking drastic measures to stop it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUawtlMpJCM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofmGw1RF3KY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0BbWmPKCyk
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019547/Anjem-Choudary-Islamic-extremists-set-Sharia-law-zones-UK-cities.html
Are you going to pretend this is not happening as they do in Norway? Ban us from speaking of it the way you have denied us the right to vote on these policies that you must have known would create this situation? And use our tax payers money to go on giving aid that is turned into anti Western investment by the recipients?
What are you going to do about it? Do you have any idea? As you imported millions of people whose cultures have so little in common with our own, have you accepted you will have to take some serious decisions to put the situation right? When do you intend to start?
One way forward would be to put on trial those who denied us debate and votes. Those who took us into this as quickly as they could. Those who betrayed our society. There is a good place to open the gate to culpability. Find out what the motive was and is. That may lead to the will to find a answer to this mess.
There IS a common cause between anti-WTO campaigners and Islam. One co-operator I knew in 2003, had worked it all out, and became a Muslim, along with his family and children.
Anti-globalism is pro-Arabism,(ie Islam) Arabic the tenth most commonly spoken language in the world. That does not make you right or left wing though! Faulty thinking!
There is a saying “If the mountain will not come to Mohammed, Mohammed will go to the mountain” meaning if one cannot get one’s own way, one must adjust to the inevitable.
The inevitable is that if the body of Islam will not tolerate by virtue of a misrepresented history, other faiths to coexist within it then Islam will learn tolerance from that which it denies. Let’s talk Turkey; Muslims living in a secular society will bring tolerance to Islam in a general way.
This Norway business is, and continues to be, very upsetting so anything that works to counter such evil must be welcomed. How about love! I recently received an email from China that was promoting a Tanabata gift, a diamond ring in this case.
This is a story of celestial love. The Jade Emperor has a daughter named Zhinü who lives in Heaven. Every day Zhinü descends to earth with the aid of a magical robe to bathe. One day, a lowly cowherd named Niu Lang spotted Zhinü as she bathed in a stream. Niu Lang fell instantly in love with her and stole her magic robe which she had left on the bank of the stream, leaving her unable to escape back to Heaven. When Zhinü emerged from the water, Niu Lang grabbed her and carried her back to his home.
When the Jade Emperor heard of this matter, he was furious but unable to intercede, since in the meantime his daughter had fallen in love and married the cowherd. As time passed, Zhinü grew homesick and began to miss her father. One day, she came across a box containing her magic robe which her husband had hidden. She decided to visit her father back in Heaven, but once she returned, the Jade Emperor summoned a river to flow across the sky (the Milky Way), which Zhinü was unable to cross to return to her husband. The Emperor took pity on the young lovers, and so once a year on the seventh day of the seventh month of the lunar calendar, he allows them to meet on a bridge over the river.
Is it too late to buy somebody you love a Tanabata gift?
Ref Mohammad and the Mountain
http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/32/messages/362.html
Tanabata; Evening of the Seventh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanabata
The Princess and the Cowherd
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jade_Emperor
That Quillam paper is junk! The population of Norway is itself small enough to be “Ethnic” if it were not itself a nation state, with a special highly evolved relationship with global authorities.
My comment above that there “IS a common cause between Anti-WTO demonstators and Islam,” is sufficiently inaccurate to be corrected.
There MAY be, but the lot that may not be, makes then as unlike as chalk and cheese.
It is not particularly wise to attempt to compare one of the world’s largest religion, generally in one geographical part of it, with underdeveloped political ideas or ideals in another.
The crisis in pensions for today’s 35-45 year olds may well be solved by the high specifications of second home rural homes owned today by their older generation.
My own experience (in their position now, through not claiming expenses!) is that the vegetable garden is the one thing needed to save about a third of that inadequate pension. Poverty may also mean not having a car according to national statistics. That does me the world of good, not having a car, and saves about £5000 per year making tomorrow’s impoverished pensioners in all, quite well off, if they relocate to the country garden.
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I would like wide help to see just how
Totally Off Topyk
the above post is …
Because Population-over-Lifesupports must be one half of the Causation-Issue re Norway (& GH’s “ethnic2 Scope-Problem)
and the other half “personal life efficiency” (sustain-worthiness)
(my particular “corner”)
0837Th040811.JSDM.
i.e. what are the necessary-&-sufficient lifesupports for one-human-being ?
and what is the total number of such lifesupports available both from the Earth and from Global-Civilisation, to go round (fairly equally to 7 billion human-heads) ?
GH: Norway’s population is 4.9 million Norwegians ?
Which does not make them “ethnic” but “indigenous” ?
Size-wise there are heaps of smaller-population nations (and nation-states) aren’t there ?
So what honestly might be the order-of-factors, that needs to be whiteboarded-up for us, the World’s Democratic Peoples, to be thinking and working with ?
0046F050811.JSDM.
There must be some effective political research papers somewhere, clarifying the new theoretical alignment of the radical left with Islam rather than with Soviet Communism pre 1990, but I have not seen it.
If it were an alignment with “revolutionary” Islam it would be something to take note of; but it is no such thing.
It is/was an Islam intent on restoring the Law of the Caliphates
(ie kings)to Muslim countries throughout the world, and others besides.
That is surely not the ambition of the Old Labour/socialist left/ communist groups of today?
The “Divine Right of The Rulers” syndrome is still very much alive and kicking,
and not just in Establishmnentarian, Political, Legal, Medical, and Banking hierarchies, either …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_genetics_of_the_Sami
Some interesting genetic studies done on the Sami people who have been distinguishable as such for 8000 years.
It would be difficult to do the same for the Welsh for example but one Irish king of the 5thC is being examined.
Who this Tytylly Yff Typyc is a can not imagine. Seems Cymraeg to me!
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/07/anders-breivik-as-a-nordicist/
The first highlighted quote on that page says more or less all needed to be said about him, and by him.
My remark that some linguistic and cultural groups are threatened and are bound to die as a consequence of the monoculture of globalism
is as relevant as I thought it was even without looking up his own statement. They might well have done any way. The smallness of some linguistic and ethnic groups in Scandinavia takes some beating.
Where does language and culture start, and where does it finish? How is an official private language distinct from that spoken by twins, or by any family with a strong sense of identity?(to take the sublime and the ridiculous!)
No doubt, globalism is a threat to multiculturalism, but drawing attention to the problem of identity loss by ethnic minorities in such a way, is no way of winning friends for the cause.
His theories are racist through and through.
As a method of classification of human types
“racism” is dead and has been for some years.
Ethnicity, and culture, and the celebration of them whenever possible, are alive and kicking.
I am glad to see BBC catch up putting on
Welsh and Scottish language news on BBC English language channels, during the holiday season, while the people of these islands go to visit their roots.
http://biophilosophy.ca/Teaching/6740papers/moore.pdf
A very useful search term in this topic is
Cladistics and Racism.
Thus the idea that to attempt to exterminate
a group of young people who represent a “Clade” (Class) of people, will have a beneficial effect on one’s own “race” or biological group, which may have its own language, is entirely false.
How does the tree of knowledge deal with the
“Cladistics” of race? Answer? It does not.
Do you believe that “Class” or euphemistically, “political party” has its own language, and the members of it, consequently their own shared genetics and biology?
Unutterable nonsense!!!
@Twm:
This link may help you assess whether or not one or the other is correct in assuming anything regarding the human race.
http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/racial-differences-intelligence/race-differences-in-intelligence-how-i-changed-my-mind
This account persistently refers to Rushton and the clearest of all explanations.
Fear of honest science, at present, is rife in the Western world and it is holding back progress at a rate unseen in history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_taxonomy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_terminology_for_race
Tone gradations paragraph is significant. These methods of weighing up an individual are
standard in South America and not good ones! You really have to be very simple to accept
any of this wikipedia page, when you know that skin melanin is the one causation of its colour.
On that basis the so called Nordic races are
deficient in Melanin, and red headed people, according to some Indians, genetically defective!!
This link may also give a bit more understanding of who is planning the future of our planet. George Osborne attended this groups last meeting in Switzerland.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/leaked-agenda-bilderberg-group-plans-economic-depression.html
Shadowy, secretive and widespread, yet not a word is revealed. This is interesting listening because its held under the Chatham House Rule, no reporting allowed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPIBWB9ZKEI
Bilderberg is a clandestine group which is headed by a conspiritorial conglomeration of American CEO’s said to be ruling the world via control of political leaders.