This was a short speech, prepared but not delivered. Both Houses of Parliament have now approved the Regulations. It remains to be see how they will work out in practice and whether the Human Fertility and Embryology Authority will be an effective and safe regulator:
“I have received well over two dozen letters and emails from all over England, opposing these Regulations. The scattered senders and different arguments used, show that this has not been an organized campaign. People in various walks of life are genuinely worried about the implications of the Regulations.
There are two quite distinct methods for achieving mitochondrial transfer. Both raise moral issues. We should also be clear that such donations are different in kind from blood or organ donations, since they have the potential to generate new human individuals.
There are other factors to be considered. For example, techniques could be tested on humans, before they have been shown to be safe on non-human primates. Great care is needed about egg transfers and possible payment for these. The destruction of some embryos causes concern about possible eugenic abortions. Others are worried about the genetic modification of future generations.
The American Federal Drugs Agency has so far withheld consent from the techniques we are discussing. Professor Paul Knoepfler, professor of developmental biology at the University of California, has warned British Parliamentarians not to proceed, on safety grounds. We should remember how premature consent was given to the Thalidomide drug, with terrible consequences.
For all these reasons, I urge the House to support the reasoned motion moved by N/L Lord Deben. If we don’t allow more time for evidence-based decisions, the first baby under the new procedures could be born in 2016. There is no reason why this country should rush, to be the first, to enter this uncertain Brave New World”
Be careful, Lord Hilton, you will find yourself so censored that you will wonder if the real motive is debate at all.
However, what the public should realise is, their taxes are funding this new world that I don’t believe is at all brave. And that should it be seen as against the majoirty of our wishes, as the movers and shakers of this democracy, then the time has come, as so many of our views are currently ignored, is to ignore right back the bill from the Inland Revenue. And do it en masse until those in power stop rolling over us like bulldozers with their genetic engineering, political correctness and downright sinister objectives.
Or, rid parliament of the lot at the next GE.
What concerns is that the house is a political chamber not a debating theatre of the Royal Society and what we see here is the political process being informed by a naïve belief that science is to be trusted along with politicians who control it.
There is novelty here a desire to tinker with something new and those that promote this are eager to be at it. The politicians in the Commons want to take the brakes of GM crops saying there is nothing to fear.
The question yet to be answered is will these new people be legally human or another branch of homo-sapiens. There is always a political motive to be found. Those members of the house that have promoted this do so not on humanist grounds but to line their pockets with new and novel genetic patents.
SIV has been eliminated in monkeys not by medication but by genetic change. Cattle in China have become immune to tuberculosis not by medication but by genetic change.
Those that promote this science want to become rich. These politicians want to get rich along with them and when we have hundreds, thousands of what appear to be normal people and we find they become a threat. This Parliament of radical political extremists will have no problem pushing these people into concentration camps citing that legally they are not human.
In the Commons 380 voted for extermination camps.
Quite, quite disgusting!
@Senex:
Idiots voting for GM crops are, in essence, voting for the equivalent of human extinction. If they think obesity and diabetes is a problem now, wait until they feed the nation the way they do in that wonderful free for all, the USA.
Why is it they cannot put two and two together? How can any group of reasonably educated people be so thick? Are they blind or simply so greedy all else fails to register?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkDdf__V60Y
And do remember, yanks have always had a penchant for hamburgers. Before the grotesque use of GMO’s it didn’t make them ludicrously overwieght the way they are now. And, if you look at the UK, you will correlate the eating of GMO filled fast food, etc., has followed the same ‘fat’ pattern. Especially in children. This is a death product, yet, our parliament remains blinkered. Why is that? It affects the organs in some way that shuts off the thyroid or something like that. They are bloated in a way that is only induced by certain medication like steroids.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V09z1oPFVfU
And
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB4GFyjewHQ
And what is so obvious in this lovely little boy, is, he hasn’t had enough time to eat this much in order for him to be this size. Therefore, it has to be the food content rather than the amount he eats. And the activity is simply a side line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wltEVDGU1Lo
Now they want to progress to genetically modify the human genome and the clowns have voted it through under a guise of ‘scientists are sane and responsible.’ Pleeeeeeese, have mercy.
Mitochondrial disease is a strictly medical clinical area, with its own inner glossaries that should not be allowed to encroach or leak-out onto clear and democraticly-participatory public thinking, scrutiny, and decision-making.
Surely we all need to remember that,
as Dr Morris said of the great Weaknesses caused by survival-evolution, for instance
“our human prehensile feet have become little better than mere platforms to walk upon”,
and as Baronesses Deech and Murphy currently appear to be asserting “we need to be working with, rather than against Nature”,
trying to amputate Nature and replace it with Medical-Prostheses surely needs to be kept to a research-specialist absolute minimum.
And that is so surely at least as long as we remain lagging in our willingness and ability to be majorly positivising towards our various natural Lifesupports.
Please accept my apologies for spelling your name wrongly in my previous post, lord Hylton.
Here are one or two links reflecting on this grossl decision made by out virtually unelected parliament.
Why was this not debated at length prior to passing the vote for it? The population have a right to know what is going on scientifically in this country. And, unfortunately, it appears we have been taken over by a Hitler style regime who don’t feel the nation is part of this democracy but theirs to blatantly abuse.
http://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/ViewPage.aspx?pageId=108
http://rt.com/uk/236203-three-parent-babies-eulaw/
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/opinion/genetically-modified-babies.html?_r=0
Actually, maude has dropped a very alive little link –
between
this gnarled, top-heavy, and unfortunately bug-infested trad-old-civilisation and its unwanted constrictively ‘ivy-clinging’ of all Peoples to this ‘LifeTree’, the Living Earth
and
the now undeniably growing New Sustainworthy Civilisation Movement’s (alas! unregistered) numbers
of balancedly-functioning individuals and small-groups, who are focally-subscribing and drawing upon the clear-clean human-enablements made available by such real-living performances as “The Company” (on Arts2):
in that she ‘snapshots’ the need for a ‘Fathers’ House made up of closely neighbouring “Sustainworthy-Community-Explorers”, hence the “slip of the tongue”
on ‘Hilton’
{It’s a big Hotel-Chain –
you’ll see below why}
Daylighting that a little bit:
Small communities are needed to be recruited to live together in such large mansions as (say)
“The Hylton New Sustainworthying Societies”, for Posterity to survive, build, and thrive “for Ever” upon.
This would doubtless also be glad to be linked to the undoubtedly more immediately,
and longest-term ‘costs’-effectiveness*,
of specificly-designed Country Caravan Hamlets for the main willing-and-able People Participation numbers, in this now steadily-growing “new” environments-friendly human-developmental exploration,
Relevance-wise, self-bio-strengthening resonantly with natural evolution is at the root and heart of this “Sustainworthy Civilisation” need and already in-progress movement;
and of course seeks to correctly prioritise such elements as IVF, mitochondrial science, and so on and so forth.
Well done, both –
Lord Hylton
and maude elwes !
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* ‘costs’-effectiveness on the basis of the JSDM 5-Fold Daily Holistic living budgeting model
One’s personally essential
1. Sevenfold human energies
2. Timeframes
3. Things
4. Places (safe ones)
5. Monies.
{for further detail please see Not-For-Profit http://www.liferesh.co.uk ]
@ Lord Hylton:
I came across this website today by chance, not because I was surfing this issue, in fact, I was looking for opinions on cyber bullying. However, when I read the voices of these hidden people, who are adult doner children too afraid to speak their truth openly, I thought of this issue on this website. And then of the ignorance of those who feel they have the wherewithall to pass legislation that affects us all in the very fundamental area of our conception.
It was headed by the words of Mahatma Gandhi, who said ‘Whatever you do for me, without me, you do against me.’
http://anonymousus.org/stories/#.VQ1Kj-H_Fdd
Read their pain.