Expenses in the UK and other EU countries

Lord Soley

I agree with Lord Norton that the composition of the House is not relevant to the question of expenses.

The following BBC link is useful to see what some other countries do. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7961849.stm

I tend to favour something along the lines of the German system but if we can extend the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authoriyt to the Lords then there is no reason why, over time, we cannot create a system that is robust and fair.

5 comments for “Expenses in the UK and other EU countries

  1. Carl.H
    03/06/2010 at 11:07 am

    “I agree with Lord Norton that the composition of the House is not relevant to the question of expenses.”

    Nice try Lord Soley, what Lord Norton said was having a second chamber of elected politicians would not solve the expenses problem. Quite simply because the elected politicians were the majority of people who are “alleged” to have been on the fiddle.

    Let`s face the truth, the public were outraged by the actions of Members of the Commons….The Commons has and is trying to deflect all critism to the Lords and blame the system for their lack of ethic.

    What is far worse than bad behaviour is the failure to admit to it and repent. This failure on the part of the Commons, the deflection of guilt to the Lords only shows that no matter what reform is spoken of, the behaviour will continue in some form or another.

    The question of composition of the HoL does come into play when one intends to put forward a Chamber of those that were deemed guilty by the public of corruption.

    Look at this list of repayments of expenses from MP`s….
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/feb/04/mps-expenses-who-paid-back-what

    And they are but a few, most of whom remain, then ask do we really want our second chamber full of THESE type of people ? Please do ask if I get caught fiddling Inland Revenue expenses what would happen ? Ask yourself why we view these people differently to the people we see fiddling the dole ? Who should know better ?

  2. Croft
    03/06/2010 at 3:26 pm

    Carl.H: The problem is that a major proportion of the Lords is and the 56 new peers includes ex-MPs. Even if you favour an unelected house there continues to be a crossover of members.

  3. Carl.H
    03/06/2010 at 5:39 pm

    Croft I fully understand this which is why I think the Appointments Committee needs more weight. We all have some political allegiance at times but it must not be the mainstay of ones thinking. The House is becoming filled with party sheep and we must do our utmost to stop this. We need educated free thinkers and free voters, people that will accept evidence from the public and act upon that. We will not get that through elections where someone,somewhere will always be pulling the strings……How many American films have you seen where Senators are leaned on by Companies or the people that put them in power ? It is not acceptable in our Country, though I realise one only has to look at the DEB to know it already is happening.

  4. 04/06/2010 at 2:53 am

    The Parliamentarians’ expenses scandal has from its outset been a smokescreen hiding much deeper and hugely-worse financial and fiscal malfeasances and mal-administrations.

    (Please see my submissions elsewhere among the Lords’ blogs, or on my non-profit citizen’s website).

  5. Gareth Howell
    04/06/2010 at 8:22 am

    Expenses and number of peers should be proportional. If there were only a few they would have a lot to do, with Delegated Legislation and 2nd/3rd readings. Pay and expenses would surely be the job.

    French Mps seem to get a similar package, the only thing catching my eye was the following,

    “Deputies continue to be called Monsieur le député or Madame la députée for the rest of their lives, even after losing their seats.
    They also have the right to continue frequenting the Assembly building, the Palais Bourbon, ”

    which is not so dissimilar from our own, I guess, although John Prescott gathering an audience in the public tea room instead, earlier in the year, is obviously not the proper place for John Prescott, DPM.

    You gorra larf!

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