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		<title>By: pip</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/12/03/debating-the-digital-economy-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-7036</link>
		<dc:creator>pip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 01:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>care of Richard Lamont on the www.chiark.greenend site

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=33047
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Issue Date: 24/06/1957...

Bill Symon talking to Mr Marcus Lipton MP. CU. Mr Lipton - natural sound, with voice off stage saying
&quot;Do you regard this as a fundamental attack?&quot; Mr Lipton replies: &quot;Oh yes, I regard this whole episode as most sinister an odious.

It is the first time in living memory that anyone has had their conversations intercepted in this way, where the National security was not involved and then to add an insult to injury the information handed over to an outside body. It is absolutely monstrous.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>care of Richard Lamont on the <a href="http://www.chiark.greenend" rel="nofollow">http://www.chiark.greenend</a> site</p>
<p><a href="http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=33047" rel="nofollow">http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=33047</a><br />
&#8220;&#8230;<br />
Issue Date: 24/06/1957&#8230;</p>
<p>Bill Symon talking to Mr Marcus Lipton MP. CU. Mr Lipton &#8211; natural sound, with voice off stage saying<br />
&#8220;Do you regard this as a fundamental attack?&#8221; Mr Lipton replies: &#8220;Oh yes, I regard this whole episode as most sinister an odious.</p>
<p>It is the first time in living memory that anyone has had their conversations intercepted in this way, where the National security was not involved and then to add an insult to injury the information handed over to an outside body. It is absolutely monstrous.&#8221;<br />
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		<title>By: lordnorton</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/12/03/debating-the-digital-economy-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-7035</link>
		<dc:creator>lordnorton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are also in Committee on the Equality Bill and the Child Poverty Bill, as well as on Report stage of the Bribery Bill, Northern Ireland Assembly Members Bill, and the Cluster Munitions(Prohibitions) Bill.  There may be more to report shortly on the Digital Economy Bill, but the more important stage will be Report stage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are also in Committee on the Equality Bill and the Child Poverty Bill, as well as on Report stage of the Bribery Bill, Northern Ireland Assembly Members Bill, and the Cluster Munitions(Prohibitions) Bill.  There may be more to report shortly on the Digital Economy Bill, but the more important stage will be Report stage.</p>
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		<title>By: pip</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/12/03/debating-the-digital-economy-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-7034</link>
		<dc:creator>pip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>https://twitter.com/search?q=%23digitaleconomy

http://www.francisdavey.co.uk/2009/12/government-wants-new-powers-to-block.html
&quot;Thursday, 10 December 2009
Government wants new powers to block wikileaks and squeeze web tv

Just over a week ago I wrote a fairly dry legal analysis of the Digital Economy Bill. I spotted an extremely serious provision — clause 11 — in the version being discussed in the House of Lords. Having looked at the amendments (which you can find on the Bill&#039;s document page) I am worried that no-one in Parliament appears to be taking the problem seriously.

What is the problem with clause 11 that I am getting so alarmed about it? It amends the Communications Act 2003 to insert a new section 124H which would, if passed, give sweeping powers to the Secretary of State. It begins:
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http://www.openrightsgroup.org/ourwork/reports/deb-first-look</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23digitaleconomy" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/search?q=%23digitaleconomy</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.francisdavey.co.uk/2009/12/government-wants-new-powers-to-block.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.francisdavey.co.uk/2009/12/government-wants-new-powers-to-block.html</a><br />
&#8220;Thursday, 10 December 2009<br />
Government wants new powers to block wikileaks and squeeze web tv</p>
<p>Just over a week ago I wrote a fairly dry legal analysis of the Digital Economy Bill. I spotted an extremely serious provision — clause 11 — in the version being discussed in the House of Lords. Having looked at the amendments (which you can find on the Bill&#8217;s document page) I am worried that no-one in Parliament appears to be taking the problem seriously.</p>
<p>What is the problem with clause 11 that I am getting so alarmed about it? It amends the Communications Act 2003 to insert a new section 124H which would, if passed, give sweeping powers to the Secretary of State. It begins:<br />
&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: pip</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/12/03/debating-the-digital-economy-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-7033</link>
		<dc:creator>pip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we are already into the 3rd day of the Digital Economy Bill [HL] and still NOT ONE lord here has Bothered to comment on its content,shame on You.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we are already into the 3rd day of the Digital Economy Bill [HL] and still NOT ONE lord here has Bothered to comment on its content,shame on You.</p>
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		<title>By: pip</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/12/03/debating-the-digital-economy-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-7032</link>
		<dc:creator>pip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we ae already into the 3rd day of the Digital Economy Bill [HL] and still NOT ONE lord here has Nothered to comment on its content shame on You.

http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2009-10/digitaleconomy.html

http://services.parliament.uk/hansard/Lords/bydate/20100106/mainchamberdebates/part008.html

http://services.parliament.uk/hansard/Lords/bydate/20100112/mainchamberdebates/part005.html

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200910/ldhansrd/text/100118-0004.htm#1001185000021

http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=5496</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we ae already into the 3rd day of the Digital Economy Bill [HL] and still NOT ONE lord here has Nothered to comment on its content shame on You.</p>
<p><a href="http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2009-10/digitaleconomy.html" rel="nofollow">http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2009-10/digitaleconomy.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://services.parliament.uk/hansard/Lords/bydate/20100106/mainchamberdebates/part008.html" rel="nofollow">http://services.parliament.uk/hansard/Lords/bydate/20100106/mainchamberdebates/part008.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://services.parliament.uk/hansard/Lords/bydate/20100112/mainchamberdebates/part005.html" rel="nofollow">http://services.parliament.uk/hansard/Lords/bydate/20100112/mainchamberdebates/part005.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200910/ldhansrd/text/100118-0004.htm#1001185000021" rel="nofollow">http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200910/ldhansrd/text/100118-0004.htm#1001185000021</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=5496" rel="nofollow">http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=5496</a></p>
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		<title>By: pip</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/12/03/debating-the-digital-economy-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-7031</link>
		<dc:creator>pip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>opps forgot the URL for interested readers
http://services.parliament.uk/hansard/Lords/bydate/20100106/mainchamberdebates/part008.html

the they work for you hanserd is also the better place to read as they allow you a direct ability to Add an annotation.

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/lords/?id=2009-12-02a.743.7

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/lords/?id=2010-01-06a.145.2&amp;s=Digital+Economy+Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>opps forgot the URL for interested readers<br />
<a href="http://services.parliament.uk/hansard/Lords/bydate/20100106/mainchamberdebates/part008.html" rel="nofollow">http://services.parliament.uk/hansard/Lords/bydate/20100106/mainchamberdebates/part008.html</a></p>
<p>the they work for you hanserd is also the better place to read as they allow you a direct ability to Add an annotation.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theyworkforyou.com/lords/?id=2009-12-02a.743.7" rel="nofollow">http://www.theyworkforyou.com/lords/?id=2009-12-02a.743.7</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.theyworkforyou.com/lords/?id=2010-01-06a.145.2&#038;s=Digital+Economy+Bill" rel="nofollow">http://www.theyworkforyou.com/lords/?id=2010-01-06a.145.2&#038;s=Digital+Economy+Bill</a></p>
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		<title>By: pip</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/12/03/debating-the-digital-economy-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-7030</link>
		<dc:creator>pip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 08:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i notice that the Digital Economy Bill Committee (1st Day)has taken place and yet nothing has been mentioned here as regards its vast impications for the consumers rights etc and thats a shame...

can you collect up your thoughts and reasoning as regards thais and perhaps have a read of the facts as seen by ordinary people regarding Deep Packet Interception , the EU directives and privacy etc....

and post your blog thoughts here ASAP and ask your questions to clarify tech and other things on NoDPI in near realtime.

https://nodpi.org/forum/index.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i notice that the Digital Economy Bill Committee (1st Day)has taken place and yet nothing has been mentioned here as regards its vast impications for the consumers rights etc and thats a shame&#8230;</p>
<p>can you collect up your thoughts and reasoning as regards thais and perhaps have a read of the facts as seen by ordinary people regarding Deep Packet Interception , the EU directives and privacy etc&#8230;.</p>
<p>and post your blog thoughts here ASAP and ask your questions to clarify tech and other things on NoDPI in near realtime.</p>
<p><a href="https://nodpi.org/forum/index.php" rel="nofollow">https://nodpi.org/forum/index.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Senex</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/12/03/debating-the-digital-economy-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-7029</link>
		<dc:creator>Senex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For complex issues the art of writing an act of Parliament is to deal with issues at a high level and avoid detail. This bill is an example of how back office support to bill construction in the Commons is woefully lacking because it mentions contentious technical detail.

However, in this case I believe it to be quite deliberate in that the outcry will shape the regulation that must eventually underpin the Act.

So bloggers comments here must be very welcome by the government. If bloggers feel a little duped by this then they must at least respect the artful use of politics. Don’t flee the blog though, stay with it as the blog is a changer of long held cherished views and an education in Parliamentary practice and procedure necessary for all of us to effect change.

The mention of IP addresses should be moved to regulation and therefore struck from the bill. Customers are then in breach of regulation and whether they have broken the law or not is a matter for a magistrate’s court if the miscreant is formally charged. My view on regulation is that they are by and large a complete waste of time because people ignore them and they only serve to placate vested interests politically.

As for hiding IP addresses, governments all over the world employ the use of such surreptitious behaviour because privacy is often vital to national interests. Can you imagine Royals surfing in plain sight? Can you imagine the Prime Minister or the US President doing the same?

Can you imagine Gary McKinnon failing to hide his IP address whilst snooping up the skirts of a five sided lady wearing no knickers?

Can you imagine children proliferating weapons grade know-how only to protect their parents from their illicit downloading and its retribution? If you can, then it is the stuff of nightmares.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For complex issues the art of writing an act of Parliament is to deal with issues at a high level and avoid detail. This bill is an example of how back office support to bill construction in the Commons is woefully lacking because it mentions contentious technical detail.</p>
<p>However, in this case I believe it to be quite deliberate in that the outcry will shape the regulation that must eventually underpin the Act.</p>
<p>So bloggers comments here must be very welcome by the government. If bloggers feel a little duped by this then they must at least respect the artful use of politics. Don’t flee the blog though, stay with it as the blog is a changer of long held cherished views and an education in Parliamentary practice and procedure necessary for all of us to effect change.</p>
<p>The mention of IP addresses should be moved to regulation and therefore struck from the bill. Customers are then in breach of regulation and whether they have broken the law or not is a matter for a magistrate’s court if the miscreant is formally charged. My view on regulation is that they are by and large a complete waste of time because people ignore them and they only serve to placate vested interests politically.</p>
<p>As for hiding IP addresses, governments all over the world employ the use of such surreptitious behaviour because privacy is often vital to national interests. Can you imagine Royals surfing in plain sight? Can you imagine the Prime Minister or the US President doing the same?</p>
<p>Can you imagine Gary McKinnon failing to hide his IP address whilst snooping up the skirts of a five sided lady wearing no knickers?</p>
<p>Can you imagine children proliferating weapons grade know-how only to protect their parents from their illicit downloading and its retribution? If you can, then it is the stuff of nightmares.</p>
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		<title>By: McDuff</title>
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		<dc:creator>McDuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 05:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the software available for Linux and Mac OSX?

What if I wish to purchase a machine without software installed on it which would cripple what I intend to use it for?  Bittorrent is hardly only used for illegal things, you know.  Software distribution is increasingly offering torrent sources, and rightly so since it reduces the need for massive centralised servers and pipes.

I don&#039;t know many consumers who ever went to a manufacturer and said &quot;you know what I want your products to do?  Less.  And can you make sure I can only do the things you leave in with greater difficulty.&quot;

Of course, Microsoft have nonetheless taken this imaginary consumer&#039;s advice to heart, which is quite often why their OSs are so intolerable to use.

Full disclosure: I haven&#039;t yet tried W7 and hear it hardly crashes at all.  Nonetheless, if it&#039;s like Vista or XP, I&#039;m sure that a parent can cripple the bejesus out of it without too much difficulty by fiddling with the &quot;parental control&quot; settings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the software available for Linux and Mac OSX?</p>
<p>What if I wish to purchase a machine without software installed on it which would cripple what I intend to use it for?  Bittorrent is hardly only used for illegal things, you know.  Software distribution is increasingly offering torrent sources, and rightly so since it reduces the need for massive centralised servers and pipes.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know many consumers who ever went to a manufacturer and said &#8220;you know what I want your products to do?  Less.  And can you make sure I can only do the things you leave in with greater difficulty.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course, Microsoft have nonetheless taken this imaginary consumer&#8217;s advice to heart, which is quite often why their OSs are so intolerable to use.</p>
<p>Full disclosure: I haven&#8217;t yet tried W7 and hear it hardly crashes at all.  Nonetheless, if it&#8217;s like Vista or XP, I&#8217;m sure that a parent can cripple the bejesus out of it without too much difficulty by fiddling with the &#8220;parental control&#8221; settings.</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth Howell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gareth Howell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh! And if you get eye bulge from 100 people all at the same time, then you know you are really, really famous, or a duplicating Blogger on Lords of the Blog.  laughter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh! And if you get eye bulge from 100 people all at the same time, then you know you are really, really famous, or a duplicating Blogger on Lords of the Blog.  laughter.</p>
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