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		<title>By: Lordylord</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/11/10/in-the-red/comment-page-1/#comment-6531</link>
		<dc:creator>Lordylord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know anything about where the rabit and miniver (stoat)fur used on robes comes from? I am aware that fur farming for its own sake is illegal in the UK, and that conditions on farms abroad are frequently abysmal. Are these issues ever discussed by wearers of such robes? Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know anything about where the rabit and miniver (stoat)fur used on robes comes from? I am aware that fur farming for its own sake is illegal in the UK, and that conditions on farms abroad are frequently abysmal. Are these issues ever discussed by wearers of such robes? Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Thursday Rounded Up to What? &#171; Franksummers3ba&#39;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/11/10/in-the-red/comment-page-1/#comment-6530</link>
		<dc:creator>Thursday Rounded Up to What? &#171; Franksummers3ba&#39;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For the context:  http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/11/10/in-the-red/ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bedd Gelert</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/11/10/in-the-red/comment-page-1/#comment-6529</link>
		<dc:creator>Bedd Gelert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baroness Murphy,

I think you should turn this into a pantomime - and if you do impressions as well... Well, your Christmas party entertainment is sorted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baroness Murphy,</p>
<p>I think you should turn this into a pantomime &#8211; and if you do impressions as well&#8230; Well, your Christmas party entertainment is sorted.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank W. Summers III</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/11/10/in-the-red/comment-page-1/#comment-6528</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank W. Summers III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your kind words. I look forward to reading your impressions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your kind words. I look forward to reading your impressions.</p>
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		<title>By: baronessmurphy</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/11/10/in-the-red/comment-page-1/#comment-6527</link>
		<dc:creator>baronessmurphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>£8000 Lord Norton? Good Lord, makes the hire cost seem cheap. No Jonathan, E&amp;R only have a modest number of robes, slightly less than seats available. I don&#039;t know if they hire them out for fancy dress parties, I suspect not. One would need to go to Angel and Bearmans for that. This is clearly a serious argument in favour of retaining hereditary peers in the house; cuts down the demand/competition amongst the LPs. Frank W Summers lll, your verse much appreciated. I&#039;ll give you my impressions after the event.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>£8000 Lord Norton? Good Lord, makes the hire cost seem cheap. No Jonathan, E&amp;R only have a modest number of robes, slightly less than seats available. I don&#8217;t know if they hire them out for fancy dress parties, I suspect not. One would need to go to Angel and Bearmans for that. This is clearly a serious argument in favour of retaining hereditary peers in the house; cuts down the demand/competition amongst the LPs. Frank W Summers lll, your verse much appreciated. I&#8217;ll give you my impressions after the event.</p>
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		<title>By: Croft</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/11/10/in-the-red/comment-page-1/#comment-6526</link>
		<dc:creator>Croft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I presume most peers leave them with E&amp;R as it would be expensive to leave your robes in the wardrobe for 11 months and find they had been eaten by moths!

I seem to remember seeing a picture in the paper of one former opposition MP and peer who had bought/had made a privy council uniform as well - which on the cost of robes must have been very expensive!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I presume most peers leave them with E&amp;R as it would be expensive to leave your robes in the wardrobe for 11 months and find they had been eaten by moths!</p>
<p>I seem to remember seeing a picture in the paper of one former opposition MP and peer who had bought/had made a privy council uniform as well &#8211; which on the cost of robes must have been very expensive!</p>
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		<title>By: lordnorton</title>
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		<dc:creator>lordnorton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Croft: Many hereditary peers did indeed have their own robes.  When they ceased to be members, some decided to sell them to other peers.  This was done via Ede and Ravenscroft.  That is how I acquired my robes.  The cost was certainly reasonable relative to the cost of new robes - which  is about £8,000: this could explain why so many peers enter the ballot for robes or hire them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Croft: Many hereditary peers did indeed have their own robes.  When they ceased to be members, some decided to sell them to other peers.  This was done via Ede and Ravenscroft.  That is how I acquired my robes.  The cost was certainly reasonable relative to the cost of new robes &#8211; which  is about £8,000: this could explain why so many peers enter the ballot for robes or hire them.</p>
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		<title>By: Croft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Croft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did have visions of the shorter baronesses disappearing under their robes :-)

Jonathan: I would assume that prior to &#039;99 a significant number of those attending the state opening would have been hereditary peers and many well have owned their own robes. So the number E&amp;R might have needed to provide would perhaps have been a smaller number. Now you have mostly LPs who won&#039;t have their own robes (with a few exceptions). I don&#039;t know if E&amp;R or the Lords (which owns some sets of robes) increased their &#039;stock&#039; to counter this change. The robes are presumable pretty expensive to make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did have visions of the shorter baronesses disappearing under their robes <img src='http://lordsoftheblog.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Jonathan: I would assume that prior to &#8217;99 a significant number of those attending the state opening would have been hereditary peers and many well have owned their own robes. So the number E&amp;R might have needed to provide would perhaps have been a smaller number. Now you have mostly LPs who won&#8217;t have their own robes (with a few exceptions). I don&#8217;t know if E&amp;R or the Lords (which owns some sets of robes) increased their &#8216;stock&#8217; to counter this change. The robes are presumable pretty expensive to make.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank W. Summers III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank W. Summers III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>High Ways of Robery: Acrostic Verse

How dear it does appear to appear a peer./
I presume it would seem queer to disappear,/
&quot;George, is Baroness Murphy not yet here?&quot;/
&quot;Her ladyship found no kit or gear we hear.&quot;/
*
Worthies waiting for worthy wear wearies./
And every chevron must match the ranks/
Yet a baroness may fear college dearies./
Students tripping lords as evil pranks./
*
Only few match the lined cap of maintenance/
Fur is humble rabbit in stoat&#039;s appearance./
*
Rarely our health scholarly Baroness wears/
Our race&#039;s white and spotted skins about./
Because too few serfs, traps and affairs/
England has given her to remove doubt./
Ravenscroft and Ede must live as well./
Yes, the Opening by robes all can tell./</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>High Ways of Robery: Acrostic Verse</p>
<p>How dear it does appear to appear a peer./<br />
I presume it would seem queer to disappear,/<br />
&#8220;George, is Baroness Murphy not yet here?&#8221;/<br />
&#8220;Her ladyship found no kit or gear we hear.&#8221;/<br />
*<br />
Worthies waiting for worthy wear wearies./<br />
And every chevron must match the ranks/<br />
Yet a baroness may fear college dearies./<br />
Students tripping lords as evil pranks./<br />
*<br />
Only few match the lined cap of maintenance/<br />
Fur is humble rabbit in stoat&#8217;s appearance./<br />
*<br />
Rarely our health scholarly Baroness wears/<br />
Our race&#8217;s white and spotted skins about./<br />
Because too few serfs, traps and affairs/<br />
England has given her to remove doubt./<br />
Ravenscroft and Ede must live as well./<br />
Yes, the Opening by robes all can tell./</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/11/10/in-the-red/comment-page-1/#comment-6522</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Presumably Ede and Ravenscroft have enough in stock for the number of peers who can attend the State Opening? Surely no-one else would need a peer&#039;s robe, or can members of the public hire them for fancy dress?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Presumably Ede and Ravenscroft have enough in stock for the number of peers who can attend the State Opening? Surely no-one else would need a peer&#8217;s robe, or can members of the public hire them for fancy dress?</p>
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