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		<title>By: Senex</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/11/07/war-memorials-ways-of-remembering/comment-page-1/#comment-6493</link>
		<dc:creator>Senex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lord Soley: “The quote on point scoring was not something I said – it was a soldier in Afghanistan.” May I point out that soldiers are not paid to think, but to do or die, on that basis political comments should always be referred to the brass for clarification because they see the big picture?

What I find intensely annoying about British media and Parliamentary discourse is the use of the phrase ‘NATO forces’. This is entirely point scoring to reinforce EC support and is not recognition of those serving in Afghanistan with the letters ISAF emblazoned onto their tunics.

The PC phrase should be ‘NATO ISAF and Afghan Forces’ in recognition of those cooperating or laying down their lives in this UN sanctioned ‘coalition of the willing’.

There are two international forces at work in Afghanistan: ISAF and the OEF (Operation Enduring Freedom). The latter is part of a larger mission by the US to counter terrorism in several locations around the world.

Ref: International Security Assistance Force
http://www.stimson.org/fopo/pdf/ISAFbackgrounder.pdf
UN Security Council 6198th Meeting; ISAF Update 2009
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2009/sc9762.doc.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lord Soley: “The quote on point scoring was not something I said – it was a soldier in Afghanistan.” May I point out that soldiers are not paid to think, but to do or die, on that basis political comments should always be referred to the brass for clarification because they see the big picture?</p>
<p>What I find intensely annoying about British media and Parliamentary discourse is the use of the phrase ‘NATO forces’. This is entirely point scoring to reinforce EC support and is not recognition of those serving in Afghanistan with the letters ISAF emblazoned onto their tunics.</p>
<p>The PC phrase should be ‘NATO ISAF and Afghan Forces’ in recognition of those cooperating or laying down their lives in this UN sanctioned ‘coalition of the willing’.</p>
<p>There are two international forces at work in Afghanistan: ISAF and the OEF (Operation Enduring Freedom). The latter is part of a larger mission by the US to counter terrorism in several locations around the world.</p>
<p>Ref: International Security Assistance Force<br />
<a href="http://www.stimson.org/fopo/pdf/ISAFbackgrounder.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.stimson.org/fopo/pdf/ISAFbackgrounder.pdf</a><br />
UN Security Council 6198th Meeting; ISAF Update 2009<br />
<a href="http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2009/sc9762.doc.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2009/sc9762.doc.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Carl Holbrough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Holbrough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1st October 2009

&quot;No more troops can be sent to Afghanistan without improvements to equipment, the Defence Secretary said today as ministers urged Afghans and other Nato members to take more responsibility for the mission&quot;

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/Afghanistan/article6856922.ece

My Noble Lord, I cannot find in any post above, any call to abandon or withdraw from Afghanistan. Neither do I remember as a Serviceman during the 70`s hearing any calls for withdrawal fom NI, nor calls for ID cards or other restrictions that have been hoisted upon citizens on the pretext of terrorism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1st October 2009</p>
<p>&#8220;No more troops can be sent to Afghanistan without improvements to equipment, the Defence Secretary said today as ministers urged Afghans and other Nato members to take more responsibility for the mission&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/Afghanistan/article6856922.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/Afghanistan/article6856922.ece</a></p>
<p>My Noble Lord, I cannot find in any post above, any call to abandon or withdraw from Afghanistan. Neither do I remember as a Serviceman during the 70`s hearing any calls for withdrawal fom NI, nor calls for ID cards or other restrictions that have been hoisted upon citizens on the pretext of terrorism.</p>
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		<title>By: Clive Soley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clive Soley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments. There would be no taxpayers money involved in a memorial. Like the Mary Seacole one we do it by charitable giving which is much easier now with the tax relief in addition to the gift.

Having visited Afghanistan recently I can tell you that the troops are well equipped and will tell you so - the main problem is helicopters but remember you have to do foot patrols so they aren&#039;t a total answer.

This UN intervention with 40 different nations participating is led by the US and they will have to take the lead on a refined strategy.

The quote on point scoring was not something I said - it was a soldier in Afghanistan. I was using it to illustrate the point that our troops are well informed about the reasons for being there. The problem is conveying that message to the general public. I recall in 1979 some 18 troops being killed in one IRA attack at Warren Point. Immediately the call for withdrawal from Northern Ireland became louder. Fortunately we didn&#039;t withdraw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments. There would be no taxpayers money involved in a memorial. Like the Mary Seacole one we do it by charitable giving which is much easier now with the tax relief in addition to the gift.</p>
<p>Having visited Afghanistan recently I can tell you that the troops are well equipped and will tell you so &#8211; the main problem is helicopters but remember you have to do foot patrols so they aren&#8217;t a total answer.</p>
<p>This UN intervention with 40 different nations participating is led by the US and they will have to take the lead on a refined strategy.</p>
<p>The quote on point scoring was not something I said &#8211; it was a soldier in Afghanistan. I was using it to illustrate the point that our troops are well informed about the reasons for being there. The problem is conveying that message to the general public. I recall in 1979 some 18 troops being killed in one IRA attack at Warren Point. Immediately the call for withdrawal from Northern Ireland became louder. Fortunately we didn&#8217;t withdraw.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Holbrough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Holbrough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helmand Province is roughly two and a half times the area of Wales.

We have 9000 servicemen there, a lot of those will be logistics, engineers and transport. The Army has asked for 500 more, the Government is dithering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helmand Province is roughly two and a half times the area of Wales.</p>
<p>We have 9000 servicemen there, a lot of those will be logistics, engineers and transport. The Army has asked for 500 more, the Government is dithering.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank W. Summers III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank W. Summers III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Senex,
With due respect for Cochise and acknowledgrment of the Taliban&#039;s fighting capacity you are walking in high cotton when you write of Geronimo. It may not show in the records because he was not granted by fate a very great stage but I and many other Americans believe the Geronimo was one of the finest tacticians ever to have lived. I know that may offend some reading this, but I sincerely believe this to be true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senex,<br />
With due respect for Cochise and acknowledgrment of the Taliban&#8217;s fighting capacity you are walking in high cotton when you write of Geronimo. It may not show in the records because he was not granted by fate a very great stage but I and many other Americans believe the Geronimo was one of the finest tacticians ever to have lived. I know that may offend some reading this, but I sincerely believe this to be true.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Holbrough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Holbrough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>franksummers3ba

Korea, Suez, Ireland, Palestine, Malaya,  Kenya, Cyprus, Suez Borneo, Vietnam, Aden, Radfan, Oman, Dhofar, Northern Ireland etc.

When one is  talking of battles and Politicians it maybe best to remember them in light of Winston Churchills epic misadventures including, the Dardenelles,Norway and his expenses battle

http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/Churchill/Inland_Revenue.html

Or perhaps a more pertinent battle relating to the Lords...The Charge of the Light Brigade.

Whilst Politicians may know the toilets are broken perhaps the plumber knows best how stop the problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>franksummers3ba</p>
<p>Korea, Suez, Ireland, Palestine, Malaya,  Kenya, Cyprus, Suez Borneo, Vietnam, Aden, Radfan, Oman, Dhofar, Northern Ireland etc.</p>
<p>When one is  talking of battles and Politicians it maybe best to remember them in light of Winston Churchills epic misadventures including, the Dardenelles,Norway and his expenses battle</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/Churchill/Inland_Revenue.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/Churchill/Inland_Revenue.html</a></p>
<p>Or perhaps a more pertinent battle relating to the Lords&#8230;The Charge of the Light Brigade.</p>
<p>Whilst Politicians may know the toilets are broken perhaps the plumber knows best how stop the problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Senex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Senex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lord Soley: When you said “Why do you have those point-scoring games when we are fighting here?” I think you may have missed the point?

It is the nature of Monarchy to wage war on others sometimes without any accountability or sensible rationale. Parliament during its long history has dealt with the Monarchy and eliminated it power to wage war.

The power to do so has passed to Parliament in the form of the ‘Royal Prerogative’ and the decision given to the leader of government.

Prime Minister Blair decided that the decision to go to war should be a democratic one and passed it to a vote. He did this in the face of a conventional wisdom that said we don’t always win wars and they can and do go wrong. His logic was flawed because such a vote needed an accompanying government of national unity to stop political infighting.

Let us put the two combatants side by side, a squaddy and a guerilla and look at their attire as well as the cost of kit. No contest! The enemy’s costs are substantially lower than our own. We are not fighting a high tech enemy but we use high tech sledge hammers to crack walnuts because that’s what we do.

It all reminds me of the US cavalry’s fight against Apache Geronimo and Cochise. On reflection they seem little different to the Taliban except that they did not have at their disposal the enormous amounts of Russian ordnance lying around with which to adapt into lethal IED’s. Should we be putting cavalry into theatre?

If the war goes badly it will be Parliament that suffers not the Prime Minister. When we choose a future Prime Minister perhaps we should ensure that they are committed to using the ‘Royal Prerogative’, firstly to protect the integrity of Parliament and secondly to wage war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lord Soley: When you said “Why do you have those point-scoring games when we are fighting here?” I think you may have missed the point?</p>
<p>It is the nature of Monarchy to wage war on others sometimes without any accountability or sensible rationale. Parliament during its long history has dealt with the Monarchy and eliminated it power to wage war.</p>
<p>The power to do so has passed to Parliament in the form of the ‘Royal Prerogative’ and the decision given to the leader of government.</p>
<p>Prime Minister Blair decided that the decision to go to war should be a democratic one and passed it to a vote. He did this in the face of a conventional wisdom that said we don’t always win wars and they can and do go wrong. His logic was flawed because such a vote needed an accompanying government of national unity to stop political infighting.</p>
<p>Let us put the two combatants side by side, a squaddy and a guerilla and look at their attire as well as the cost of kit. No contest! The enemy’s costs are substantially lower than our own. We are not fighting a high tech enemy but we use high tech sledge hammers to crack walnuts because that’s what we do.</p>
<p>It all reminds me of the US cavalry’s fight against Apache Geronimo and Cochise. On reflection they seem little different to the Taliban except that they did not have at their disposal the enormous amounts of Russian ordnance lying around with which to adapt into lethal IED’s. Should we be putting cavalry into theatre?</p>
<p>If the war goes badly it will be Parliament that suffers not the Prime Minister. When we choose a future Prime Minister perhaps we should ensure that they are committed to using the ‘Royal Prerogative’, firstly to protect the integrity of Parliament and secondly to wage war.</p>
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		<title>By: franksummers3ba</title>
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		<dc:creator>franksummers3ba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link. I imagine the Great War, the Second World War, the Falkland Island War, The Gulf Wars of my lifetime, the war in Afghanistan currently and others have added to that tally significantly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link. I imagine the Great War, the Second World War, the Falkland Island War, The Gulf Wars of my lifetime, the war in Afghanistan currently and others have added to that tally significantly.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Holbrough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Holbrough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 110 figure is a long way off being correct even if ALL major battles were the only ones counted.

The following link only goes upto the Boer War, approx 116 battles from, but not including the Battle of Hastings.

http://www.britishbattles.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 110 figure is a long way off being correct even if ALL major battles were the only ones counted.</p>
<p>The following link only goes upto the Boer War, approx 116 battles from, but not including the Battle of Hastings.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.britishbattles.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.britishbattles.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Carl Holbrough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Holbrough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The War Memorials Trust, the UK National Inventory of War Memorials are I believe charitable ventures. They try very hard to keep going UK memorials that are falling into disrepair.

Our troops in Afghanistan appear ill equipped and the compensation for lifelong disabilities miserly.

Three generations of males in my family have served Queen and Country, proudly.

Bring one more boy, well equipped, safely home and we will remember our brothers who fell in our hearts and minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The War Memorials Trust, the UK National Inventory of War Memorials are I believe charitable ventures. They try very hard to keep going UK memorials that are falling into disrepair.</p>
<p>Our troops in Afghanistan appear ill equipped and the compensation for lifelong disabilities miserly.</p>
<p>Three generations of males in my family have served Queen and Country, proudly.</p>
<p>Bring one more boy, well equipped, safely home and we will remember our brothers who fell in our hearts and minds.</p>
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