That war was fought to prevent foreigners taking over this Country.It was fought at a time when all the “odds” were against us here in the UK. Perhaps in the same way all the odds are against us now regarding the Treaty of Lisbon coming into force. Believe me, nothing will turn out as the most ardent fan of the European Union thinks it will. But, and here is the rub, none will be able to get out of it. (Repeal the European Communities Act 1972? No Parliament shall bind?) The EU will make sure from day one that will never be allowed to happen. This Countries hands will be securely tied.

Regarding Criminal offences. Such are the laws in this Country now, instant fines, no “Innocent until proven guilty” we might all have criminal offences against us soon. Put the wrong ‘waste’ into the wrong bin-Criminal offence. Cigarette butt out of the car window-Criminal offence. Oh!, and leave your bin lid up too high-bin too full-my goodness me, yet another criminal offence. Some sitting British MP’s might even have Criminal offences, at least, if there was the same rules for all instead of just for the ordinary people.

You know, not one BNP ratified an EU Treaty, while the two major Political Parties did. This Country was supposed to be about “Democracy”, so why did the people not have a referendum on that very constitutional Treaty of Lisbon? Withdraw the Treaty before all 27 States ratify it and put it before the people in a referendum. That is the only way to “Save” all political Parties should they want to continue in Office. Failing that, the people will have their say in the end you know. Regarding the sentence above I have picked out, many people lost dear members of their own families fighting in that last war you speak of. I lived near Manchester then and was bombed time after time-I know exactly what it is like to be bombed. A kind of terrorism, it matters not whether there is a warning because when a direct hit comes, with or without a warning, dead is dead whether warned or not. All those that fought and died in that war have been betrayed by weaker people. They have ALL been betrayed, but not by the BNP and not by UKIP because they did not ratify any EU Treaties against the people’s wishes.
Do you really think the people will ever forgive that?

I am sick of the sniping from the Labour benches in the House of Commons, rather like a small child that doesn’t want to share the ball with others, it is so repetitive. If the people have to stand to that when they “tune in” from now until a General Election, Labour may win the Guinness book of Records for the greatest loss of seats.

That said, will the Conservatives “WIN”. People like me (and I have to admit I have always voted Conservative-though I have never been a member of any political Party-and never will) that see no point in voting for a Government that cannot Govern will most certainly NOT be voting for any Political Party that wants the EU to Govern this and all other 26 Countries. I have looked long and hard at the forthcoming legislation from the EU and most of it is against our own Constitution.

With the greatest respect, I rather look upon some one that is taking money for something they knowingly cannot do, yet go through the pantomime of debating such legislation in Parliament, altering a “Might” to a “Maybe” yet cannot alter one dot or comma of the substance of the Regulation or Directive, etc is kind of “taking money under false pretences”. How long will it be before a great many more people feel the same?

I look at the new long Article 188R (Not the version that was in the Treaty)and the EU Directive in the Official Journal of the EU, C 321/6 dated 31.12.2003 The first paragraph which reads, “Agreement between the Member States of the European Union concerning the status of military and civilian staff seconded to the institutions of the European Union, of the headquarters and forces which may be made available to the European Union in the context of the preparation and execution of tasks referred to in Article 17(2) of the Treaty on European Union, including exercises, and of the military and civilian staff of the Member States put at the disposal of the European Union to act in this context (EU SOFA) Brussels, 17 November 2003”. Which had been presented to Parliament by the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs by Command of Her Majesty, March 2009″. and then I realise that the people have been told nothing about this. Why not? These military people and civilians have been given immunity too.

Our own sovereign people who were allowed to have guns for their own protection in the Bill of Rights 1688 had that RIGHT removed from them after Dunblane. The Law Lords ruled against one legal Challenge, perhaps it is time to put another challenge, to put right that wrong. The Governments of both Political Parties have gone against the people’s Common Law Constitution, and Lisbon makes clear that IT takes precedence over National Laws and Constitution. In the quick and disgraceful way Lisbon was ratified, MP’s seemed also to forget that according to R v Thistlewood 1820 to destroy the Constitution is an act of Treason, particularly as we are-if born here in the UK, owe allegiance to the British Crown.

Croft and Bedd Gelert – I believe that an open debate is very important and it gives an opportunity to not only challenge the BNP’s arguments, but also raise the awareness of the absurdities of the their cause.

However, what should not be underestimated is the power of debate. Many groups have actively expressed their disagreement with the BNP: students are taking part in debates; the public are discussing the issues through the internet; and politicians are frequently commenting in the media about their views.

The reasons surrounding the BNP’s recent success are extremely sensitive: many issues need to be addressed. I agree that issues such as employment, housing, and immigration become more acute in a recession . So there is a natural tendency to drift away from the mainstream parties.

Noodles – I agree that what is essential here is to raise the awareness of every party’s policies which aim to tackle the main issues. Again you make a good comment about the importance of the EU and local elections. It is crucial that people are aware of their rights and entitlements in both the EU and UK, so that they can make informed decisions about their vote.

In a democracy people are entitled to vote for whom they want, thus at the end of the day it is up to the public to decide whether BNP will succeed.

I ask you whether even now, if the choice was put to you, (And you were in the place of an ordinary voter) would you rather vote for those that would give the Governing of the Country away to foreigners (And probably FOREVER as there is no time limit on the Treaties and the EU is planning for the next 50 years)-which is strictly contrary to Her Majesty’s Coronation Oath- and in violation of that solemn Oath of Allegiance we all have, make and should uphold, to the Crown.
WE also remember at the same time, that our MP’s continue to be at “Full Compliment” while only instigating about 70% of our Laws while expecting us to vote for them and pay them as if they are instigating ALL.

Or would you vote for either the BNP or UKIP if they were the only choice you could make if there were no “Greens” etc? I know what I would do.

Part of the debate also should include emphasising the importance of, dare I say it, taking European and local elections seriously. The EU is not a fixed body that cannot change, there have been 3 treaties in 12 years, one every four years roughly. If we don’t like it we can change it, but when two thirds of the population don’t vote it leaves open the way for facists.

If memory, and ten minutes of research, serves me correctly one BNP councillor won an election in Corsham in 2007 on the basis that no one stood against him. There just weren’t enough people willing to stand for Council.

The good note is that the BNP are so un-British, the street patrols in Corsham, the idea that Brittishness is the colour of your skin, not even including the fallacy of natish-English people that they won’t do as well as European far right parties.

On the other hand, when many people I’ve spoken to, all of whom I have since corrected, think EU citizens are entitled to out of work benefits and “free money” from the British state, there are underlying reasons why the BNP do well in PR based elections.

It’s even attracted Jewish members! But a rottweiler in a suit is still a rottweiler. The BNP is still clearly a white supremacist organisation, as Griffin’s speech at the Euro election declaration showed.

The voters who welcomed Barack Obama’s election over the pond and who helped defeat the government over Gurkha pensions and settlement need only to be reminded of that fact.

The assertion that a bizarre proportional representation voting system which, in part, allowed the BNP to benefit at the European Elections, unintentionally puts down the achievements of other, and more politically acceptable, minor nationalist parties. It was this very same proportional electoral system that elected a small number of representatives of other minor nationalist parliamentary parties to the European Parliament, (Scottish National Party, Plaid Cymru, Sinn Féin).

The suggestion for the government to prohibit the BNP from selecting membership on national or racial criteria alone is a little naïve. I cannot see any logical reason why a potential candidate might desire the legal right to apply for membership of the BNP, after being denied membership solely on the grounds of their race or national identity, then use a compulsory legal compliance of law to gain membership, and seek to campaign for a party that doesn’t accept them as a member in reality. It’s a nonsense.

In conclusion, I am minded to reflect on the proportion of Englishmen elected to represent our other regional nationalist parties. None, I suspect; but not because of a restriction of membership on national or racial reasons. It is more likely to reflect the disinterest of the average man of England to campaign on the day-to-day agenda of regional nationalist government. Legislation to prevent discrimination on the grounds of race, nationality, sexual orientation; et cetera, is already in place. Gracious me, Parliament might just over legislate and require Plaid Cymru to elect an Englishman.