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		<title>By: Ben Crompton</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/06/12/people-and-parliament-an-update/comment-page-1/#comment-4419</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Crompton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was pondering over the thought of peer election and an idea came to me. Under the system I have thought up, an election would take place in which each member of the electoral register would vote for a party. Each party&#039;s vote would then be turned into a percentage. After this an independent body, or otherwise, would determine the number of peerages that would be necessary for the continued running of the House of Lords, taking into account likely retirements and resignations etc. This number of appointments would then be shared between the paries proportionally to the percentage of the vote that they achieved. When the government has used up all its appointments it can call another peer election. This would enable peers to be appointed, with the public effectively voting them in.

PS Crossbenchers could be appointed by the percentage that did not turnout to vote or appointed by the independent body.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was pondering over the thought of peer election and an idea came to me. Under the system I have thought up, an election would take place in which each member of the electoral register would vote for a party. Each party&#8217;s vote would then be turned into a percentage. After this an independent body, or otherwise, would determine the number of peerages that would be necessary for the continued running of the House of Lords, taking into account likely retirements and resignations etc. This number of appointments would then be shared between the paries proportionally to the percentage of the vote that they achieved. When the government has used up all its appointments it can call another peer election. This would enable peers to be appointed, with the public effectively voting them in.</p>
<p>PS Crossbenchers could be appointed by the percentage that did not turnout to vote or appointed by the independent body.</p>
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		<title>By: shanecroucher</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/06/12/people-and-parliament-an-update/comment-page-1/#comment-4418</link>
		<dc:creator>shanecroucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, I think we need to get politics on the National Curriculum from the age of eleven. Teaching them the basics at the start, the history of the vote etc and the working up to debates in the class, mediated by the teacher, allowing kids to hear all sides of a viewpoint would be beneficial to everyone. Plus it could curtail extremism.

http://shanecroucher.co.uk/2009/06/20/politics-in-the-national-curriculum-is-a-must/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, I think we need to get politics on the National Curriculum from the age of eleven. Teaching them the basics at the start, the history of the vote etc and the working up to debates in the class, mediated by the teacher, allowing kids to hear all sides of a viewpoint would be beneficial to everyone. Plus it could curtail extremism.</p>
<p><a href="http://shanecroucher.co.uk/2009/06/20/politics-in-the-national-curriculum-is-a-must/" rel="nofollow">http://shanecroucher.co.uk/2009/06/20/politics-in-the-national-curriculum-is-a-must/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Senex</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/06/12/people-and-parliament-an-update/comment-page-1/#comment-4417</link>
		<dc:creator>Senex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lord Renton: The Commons for the last 100 years has had a clearly defined mandate to improve the lives of voters; major advances have been achieved by the House of Commons and Trade Unions and both should be proud of their track record. It has not been easy for either of them.

The reason why it has been a winner is that politicians have successfully applied a carrot on a stick mechanism to capture interest and then rewarded the voter by a perceived growth in their personal incomes and improvements to public sector facilities. Governments have become comfortable with economic growth fuelling their ambitions and the electorate has come to expect benefits arising from it.

Scientifically, the lower levels of the Maslow hierarchy of needs have been the focus of attention by politicians and voters alike with legislation increasingly focusing on the safety aspects of those needs. So successful has the political process been in realising people’s needs that many are entering or have entered the esteem needs level.

This is a cautious level for a democracy. Politicians have little or nothing to offer voters by way of bribery. Instead, what voter’s value in their politicians are respect, admiration, high regard and good opinion, all values associated with esteem. This is why the expenses affair has been particularly cruel and hurtful to the electorate.

If an individuals esteem needs are not met by Parliament then one could argue that they would be less likely to vote in elections or to talk to politicians generally. They effectively switch off and become idiote.

Now the prospectus on offer from the Commons is to bring people back down to their safety and social needs levels. For many it will drop further to their physiological needs level. The choice for the voter, is do they vote for the party with the least cuts or do they not bother at all?

If the people elected an extremist government on a first past the post system it would have full and unfettered access to the Treasury. There is no House of Lords to oppose Commons budgets or cast an inquiring eye over its money management. Public bodies set up to guide Commons spending would have legislation reversed rendering them inoperative.

Whilst current events conspire to increase voter apathy the present constitutional arrangement offers enticing prospects for extreme politics and ambition. The Commons needs to get a grip and be honest with itself and the electorate. It must do more to satisfy the esteem needs of the electorate.

Ref: Maslow&#039;s Hierarchy of Needs
http://www.abraham-maslow.com/m_motivation/Hierarchy_of_Needs.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lord Renton: The Commons for the last 100 years has had a clearly defined mandate to improve the lives of voters; major advances have been achieved by the House of Commons and Trade Unions and both should be proud of their track record. It has not been easy for either of them.</p>
<p>The reason why it has been a winner is that politicians have successfully applied a carrot on a stick mechanism to capture interest and then rewarded the voter by a perceived growth in their personal incomes and improvements to public sector facilities. Governments have become comfortable with economic growth fuelling their ambitions and the electorate has come to expect benefits arising from it.</p>
<p>Scientifically, the lower levels of the Maslow hierarchy of needs have been the focus of attention by politicians and voters alike with legislation increasingly focusing on the safety aspects of those needs. So successful has the political process been in realising people’s needs that many are entering or have entered the esteem needs level.</p>
<p>This is a cautious level for a democracy. Politicians have little or nothing to offer voters by way of bribery. Instead, what voter’s value in their politicians are respect, admiration, high regard and good opinion, all values associated with esteem. This is why the expenses affair has been particularly cruel and hurtful to the electorate.</p>
<p>If an individuals esteem needs are not met by Parliament then one could argue that they would be less likely to vote in elections or to talk to politicians generally. They effectively switch off and become idiote.</p>
<p>Now the prospectus on offer from the Commons is to bring people back down to their safety and social needs levels. For many it will drop further to their physiological needs level. The choice for the voter, is do they vote for the party with the least cuts or do they not bother at all?</p>
<p>If the people elected an extremist government on a first past the post system it would have full and unfettered access to the Treasury. There is no House of Lords to oppose Commons budgets or cast an inquiring eye over its money management. Public bodies set up to guide Commons spending would have legislation reversed rendering them inoperative.</p>
<p>Whilst current events conspire to increase voter apathy the present constitutional arrangement offers enticing prospects for extreme politics and ambition. The Commons needs to get a grip and be honest with itself and the electorate. It must do more to satisfy the esteem needs of the electorate.</p>
<p>Ref: Maslow&#8217;s Hierarchy of Needs<br />
<a href="http://www.abraham-maslow.com/m_motivation/Hierarchy_of_Needs.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.abraham-maslow.com/m_motivation/Hierarchy_of_Needs.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: beccy83</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/06/12/people-and-parliament-an-update/comment-page-1/#comment-4416</link>
		<dc:creator>beccy83</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply from Lord Renton:

Ben Crompton: Many thanks for your message. We will discuss it at our meeting this afternoon. I am sure that the question of election to our House will be a major subject at the General Election next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply from Lord Renton:</p>
<p>Ben Crompton: Many thanks for your message. We will discuss it at our meeting this afternoon. I am sure that the question of election to our House will be a major subject at the General Election next year.</p>
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		<title>By: Croft</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/06/12/people-and-parliament-an-update/comment-page-1/#comment-4415</link>
		<dc:creator>Croft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely a better link Beccy :-) I&#039;d had to skip through on the previous link taking guesses how far to jump to find the start of the debate.

On the whole the debate seemed a disappointment. Much that was said seemed to have no bearing on what had been discussed in the committee but simply a repeat of individuals well rehearsed constitutional change arguments. In such a short debate the repeating of well trodden roads in preference to discussion of some of the submissions by individuals and witnesses on areas like rights/web-streaming, the free our bills proposals, better public rights to comment on pre-legislative stages seemed a lost opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely a better link Beccy <img src='http://lordsoftheblog.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;d had to skip through on the previous link taking guesses how far to jump to find the start of the debate.</p>
<p>On the whole the debate seemed a disappointment. Much that was said seemed to have no bearing on what had been discussed in the committee but simply a repeat of individuals well rehearsed constitutional change arguments. In such a short debate the repeating of well trodden roads in preference to discussion of some of the submissions by individuals and witnesses on areas like rights/web-streaming, the free our bills proposals, better public rights to comment on pre-legislative stages seemed a lost opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: beccy83</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/06/12/people-and-parliament-an-update/comment-page-1/#comment-4414</link>
		<dc:creator>beccy83</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A further update from Lord Renton:
You can watch and read the transcript of last night\&#039;s debate:
*	ParliamentLive:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=4217&amp;st=19:37:45&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=4217&amp;st=19:37:45&lt;/a&gt;

*	Lords Hansard: Parliament and the public
&lt;a&gt;http://services.parliament.uk/hansard/Lords/bydate/20090616/mainchamberdebates/part014.html &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A further update from Lord Renton:<br />
You can watch and read the transcript of last night\&#8217;s debate:<br />
*	ParliamentLive:<br />
<a href="http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=4217&amp;st=19:37:45" rel="nofollow">http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=4217&#038;st=19:37:45</a></p>
<p>*	Lords Hansard: Parliament and the public<br />
<a></a><a href="http://services.parliament.uk/hansard/Lords/bydate/20090616/mainchamberdebates/part014.html" rel="nofollow">http://services.parliament.uk/hansard/Lords/bydate/20090616/mainchamberdebates/part014.html</a> </p>
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		<title>By: beccy83</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/06/12/people-and-parliament-an-update/comment-page-1/#comment-4413</link>
		<dc:creator>beccy83</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Response from Lord Renton:

Many thanks for your responses to my blog. I have received a number of very interesting thoughts, some of which I hope to bring into the debate this evening.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=4217&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The debate can be listened to or watched live&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Response from Lord Renton:</p>
<p>Many thanks for your responses to my blog. I have received a number of very interesting thoughts, some of which I hope to bring into the debate this evening.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=4217" rel="nofollow">The debate can be listened to or watched live</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/06/12/people-and-parliament-an-update/comment-page-1/#comment-4412</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To expand slightly:
It is difficult for parliament to engage more deeply with the public, simply doe to the numbers. So the idea is to engage more deeply with a representative sample of the public.

The reason for selecting 100 people, rather than just a handful, is so that they are statistically representative. And the reason for saying a whole year, rather than a short period like a week, is so that the engagement would be qualitatively different from the kind of engagement which current mechanisms provide. It needs to be long enough for them to get to know parliamentarians on a human level, so they can tell whether that weeks media scandal is likely to be rubbish or not, and to have time to have an extended dialogue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To expand slightly:<br />
It is difficult for parliament to engage more deeply with the public, simply doe to the numbers. So the idea is to engage more deeply with a representative sample of the public.</p>
<p>The reason for selecting 100 people, rather than just a handful, is so that they are statistically representative. And the reason for saying a whole year, rather than a short period like a week, is so that the engagement would be qualitatively different from the kind of engagement which current mechanisms provide. It needs to be long enough for them to get to know parliamentarians on a human level, so they can tell whether that weeks media scandal is likely to be rubbish or not, and to have time to have an extended dialogue.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Crompton</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/06/12/people-and-parliament-an-update/comment-page-1/#comment-4411</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Crompton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to follow up slightly by confirming that a fully-elected house would be wrong for many reasons (mainly the conflict with the commons) but a partially elected house would almost give &#039;the best of both worlds&#039; and enable the benefits of appointment and election to occur in harmony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to follow up slightly by confirming that a fully-elected house would be wrong for many reasons (mainly the conflict with the commons) but a partially elected house would almost give &#8216;the best of both worlds&#8217; and enable the benefits of appointment and election to occur in harmony.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Crompton</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2009/06/12/people-and-parliament-an-update/comment-page-1/#comment-4410</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Crompton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firstly, Lord Renton: you and your committee have already taken the first step by releasing these videos. However, I might suggest promoting your videos on Youtube, to ensure that they can be found easily by visitors.

Ever since the creation of the House of Lords (HoL) it has been almost impossible for members of the public to involve themselves with the peers inside. If a member of the public has a problem or an issue regarding the law, they would go directly to their MP: he lives in their area and they voted for him (or his opponents) and this makes him easier to reach. People are unlikely to contact members of the HoL unless they disagree with their MP&#039;s party and a specific peer is involved in something they are interested in.

This is where the staple problem lies: the person has to be interested in the law and has to go looking for information and contact details on who they should talk to. Links need to be made between the public and the HoL. This has been difficult due to the lack of elections but there is one election that takes place in the HoL to decide who is there: the election that occurs under the rules of the HoL Act 1999. This is where we can create a link between the house and the public.

I propose the public vote for the heridetary peers (and at the same time therefore possibly increase the number of heridetary peers in the house). This means that the specifically-skilled or previous-parlimentarian life peers can continue to be appointed, whilst the public can involve themselves with the house&#039;s hereditary peers.

This would firstly create a large media hype, drawing pople to the idea, informing and involving them. Secondly, parties and peers would have to advertise themselves: causing the public to know of their areas of expertise and laws to contact them about and how to contact them. It would restore public faith in the HoL and involve them in and inform them of it.

I thank you again for your efforts to help the HoL

Ben Crompton</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly, Lord Renton: you and your committee have already taken the first step by releasing these videos. However, I might suggest promoting your videos on Youtube, to ensure that they can be found easily by visitors.</p>
<p>Ever since the creation of the House of Lords (HoL) it has been almost impossible for members of the public to involve themselves with the peers inside. If a member of the public has a problem or an issue regarding the law, they would go directly to their MP: he lives in their area and they voted for him (or his opponents) and this makes him easier to reach. People are unlikely to contact members of the HoL unless they disagree with their MP&#8217;s party and a specific peer is involved in something they are interested in.</p>
<p>This is where the staple problem lies: the person has to be interested in the law and has to go looking for information and contact details on who they should talk to. Links need to be made between the public and the HoL. This has been difficult due to the lack of elections but there is one election that takes place in the HoL to decide who is there: the election that occurs under the rules of the HoL Act 1999. This is where we can create a link between the house and the public.</p>
<p>I propose the public vote for the heridetary peers (and at the same time therefore possibly increase the number of heridetary peers in the house). This means that the specifically-skilled or previous-parlimentarian life peers can continue to be appointed, whilst the public can involve themselves with the house&#8217;s hereditary peers.</p>
<p>This would firstly create a large media hype, drawing pople to the idea, informing and involving them. Secondly, parties and peers would have to advertise themselves: causing the public to know of their areas of expertise and laws to contact them about and how to contact them. It would restore public faith in the HoL and involve them in and inform them of it.</p>
<p>I thank you again for your efforts to help the HoL</p>
<p>Ben Crompton</p>
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