To my mind Europe has worked best on the big issues. Free trade,
Environmental policies and human rights are all things that benefit
from the consolidated approach of all the nations. However I worry
about too much prescriptive power being wielded by the remote
commissioners who are not directly accountable to the people.

This raises not only the question whether it is truly democratic for a tiny minority to stop an overwhelming majority from moving forward. It also raises the fundamental issue of whether Europe is not better served by the judgment of its politicians than by the prejudices of its citizens.

Hmmm, or put another way:

This raises not only the question whether it is truly democratic for an overwhelming majority to steamroller a minority just to move forward. It also raises the fundamental issue of whether Europe is not better served by listening to the concerns of its citizens rather than the whims of its politicians.

Whilst being generally very pro-Europe, I have to draw the line with the Lisbon treaty, merits of the actual document aside, the nature of its enactment is disenfranchising the people it will effect.

Isn’t this the second attempt at creating a European constitution? The first attempt failed referendums in every country didn’t it? So the second time around, most countries just don’t bother to have a referendum on the subject at all. What a fantastic way to completely miss the point of all those no votes.

To put it simply: the ends don’t justify the means.

If you don’t mind me asking, Lord Norton: are you generally pro or anti united Europe?

This is the real reason the Irish result is being passed over and why we were refused the promised referendum. The elite bankers and industrialists who are really in control will not be stopped in their demonic quest to have us all under surveillance by a global Stasi.

Right now, FEMA Concentration Camps are being set up to round up dissident Americans as well as illegal immigrants.

Watch: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5515356061137526953

Have you heard of Zbigniew Brzezinski?

He advised various presidents and now Barack Obama and has called for the world to be unified under control of the UN.

The late Hollywood producer, Aaron Russo (Trading Places, The Rose, America: Freedom to Fascism), was asked by his friend and member of the ‘elite’ Nick Rockefeller if he wanted to join the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and explained about the plan to microchip the population and that the ‘war on terror’ was a hoax -

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/210207_rockefeller_friendship.html

Russo turned down the lucrative offer and turned to fighting for freedom instead by exposing the deception in ‘high’ places.

There’s only paranoia where there are no grounds for concern and there are plenty.

What is being done incrementally is transference of power from the individual to the state. This is why the family, religions and communities are under attack – under surveillance – because they have their own power structures on various levels.

The UK needs not only to leave the EU, but to encourage other countries to do the same and ensure its destruction.

The EU is not built on trust, but on suspicion, inequalities, deals, admitted corruption and on the changing of their own rules when it suits and for these reasons alone should be disbanded.

You may like my website: http://www.thelabourparty.org

The Liberal Democrats themselves cannot claim to be at one on this issue, having suffered a split in March over whether to force a referendum. There is a glaring flaw in the assumption that the majority is automatically right, and no question of its authority should be tolerated.