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		<title>By: baronessdsouza</title>
		<link>http://lordsoftheblog.net/2008/06/13/terror-in-zimbabwe/comment-page-1/#comment-1024</link>
		<dc:creator>baronessdsouza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, to some extent your entirely legitimate question is answered by the next comment from Liam. We are perceived as colonialists and to send a force would confirm that view.

The issue is also complicated by the fact that Zimbabwe, like all other countries, is a sovereign state and as such has a RIGHT not to be invaded. The question then becomes what are the criteria for intervention and International Law does rule that genocide is a legitimate (indeed even mandatory) reason for intervention.

Krishna makes the point succinctly - but again international law is pretty tough on what constitutes genocide. The massacres in Rwanda in 1994 were undoubtedly genocide and, shockingly, because this obliges countries which are party to the UN Genocide Conventions, to intervene. Many countries did not wish to send forces to this small and in a geopolitical sense relatively unimportant. The device they developed was to refer to the genocide as &#039;mass killings&#039; to absolve themselves from sending forces to prevent the genocide.

Alex Benee hits the spot - it seems whatever governments do in the context of terrible tragedies such as Zimbabwe, you can&#039;t win? Or are we here dealing with political expediency and not moral force?

Samuel White and Lesley Parish - you will be relieved to know that there are organisations that are meticulously recording every possible incident of inhumane treatment and torture. Doctors are secretly recording the injuries they are obliged to treat and getting the information out of the country. The day of reckoning WILL come for those who have perpetrated massive torture.

Thank you all, especially BG!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, to some extent your entirely legitimate question is answered by the next comment from Liam. We are perceived as colonialists and to send a force would confirm that view.</p>
<p>The issue is also complicated by the fact that Zimbabwe, like all other countries, is a sovereign state and as such has a RIGHT not to be invaded. The question then becomes what are the criteria for intervention and International Law does rule that genocide is a legitimate (indeed even mandatory) reason for intervention.</p>
<p>Krishna makes the point succinctly &#8211; but again international law is pretty tough on what constitutes genocide. The massacres in Rwanda in 1994 were undoubtedly genocide and, shockingly, because this obliges countries which are party to the UN Genocide Conventions, to intervene. Many countries did not wish to send forces to this small and in a geopolitical sense relatively unimportant. The device they developed was to refer to the genocide as &#8216;mass killings&#8217; to absolve themselves from sending forces to prevent the genocide.</p>
<p>Alex Benee hits the spot &#8211; it seems whatever governments do in the context of terrible tragedies such as Zimbabwe, you can&#8217;t win? Or are we here dealing with political expediency and not moral force?</p>
<p>Samuel White and Lesley Parish &#8211; you will be relieved to know that there are organisations that are meticulously recording every possible incident of inhumane treatment and torture. Doctors are secretly recording the injuries they are obliged to treat and getting the information out of the country. The day of reckoning WILL come for those who have perpetrated massive torture.</p>
<p>Thank you all, especially BG!</p>
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		<title>By: Bedd Gelert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bedd Gelert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please don&#039;t apologise - we heard your dulcet tones last night on &#039;Today In Parliament&#039;, so we know you aren&#039;t &#039;swinging the lead&#039;.. !

Take care, BG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please don&#8217;t apologise &#8211; we heard your dulcet tones last night on &#8216;Today In Parliament&#8217;, so we know you aren&#8217;t &#8217;swinging the lead&#8217;.. !</p>
<p>Take care, BG</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 10:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alix

It saddens me that you can believe this.</description>
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<p>It saddens me that you can believe this.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 03:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gareth:

You said &quot;The unprovoked war of aggression in Iraq is more heinous crime than anything committed by Mugabe.&quot;

I think you would have a very hard time supporting that statement. The United States and its allies probably shouldn&#039;t have attacked, but the troops haven&#039;t been cutting off limbs, gouging out eyes, raping women, and murdering innocent people. Quite the opposite, they have been protecting people from the radical terrorist organizations (much like Mugabe) that want to gain power by any means possible and eliminate democracy. The media portrays this war as terrible and &quot;heinous&quot; as you called you it, but I know better. I have several good friends who have served in the Iraq war, and they all came back saying that they were thanked by countless men, women, and children who live in Iraq. Most people there are just glad for a single night&#039;s sleep where gunshots aren&#039;t fired, made possible now by the presence of the troops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gareth:</p>
<p>You said &#8220;The unprovoked war of aggression in Iraq is more heinous crime than anything committed by Mugabe.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you would have a very hard time supporting that statement. The United States and its allies probably shouldn&#8217;t have attacked, but the troops haven&#8217;t been cutting off limbs, gouging out eyes, raping women, and murdering innocent people. Quite the opposite, they have been protecting people from the radical terrorist organizations (much like Mugabe) that want to gain power by any means possible and eliminate democracy. The media portrays this war as terrible and &#8220;heinous&#8221; as you called you it, but I know better. I have several good friends who have served in the Iraq war, and they all came back saying that they were thanked by countless men, women, and children who live in Iraq. Most people there are just glad for a single night&#8217;s sleep where gunshots aren&#8217;t fired, made possible now by the presence of the troops.</p>
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		<title>By: Allix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the CIA world factbook Zimbabwe, the US equates to 10.4% (2006) of Zimbabwe exports, I do wonder if this underlines why the USA have not done anything , &quot; We are getting dirt cheap imports, lets ignore what happens in their country&quot;.

The question we should be asking ourselves is what does England economically get out of this? Its a very morose question but that&#039;s how our government thinks and works most of the time.

Gareth, I support you comment however in Iraq there is money to be made. Zimbabwe has more in common with the brutality that the Palestinians are receiving from Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the CIA world factbook Zimbabwe, the US equates to 10.4% (2006) of Zimbabwe exports, I do wonder if this underlines why the USA have not done anything , &#8221; We are getting dirt cheap imports, lets ignore what happens in their country&#8221;.</p>
<p>The question we should be asking ourselves is what does England economically get out of this? Its a very morose question but that&#8217;s how our government thinks and works most of the time.</p>
<p>Gareth, I support you comment however in Iraq there is money to be made. Zimbabwe has more in common with the brutality that the Palestinians are receiving from Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley Parish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wesley Parish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW, perhaps the most the UK can do to aid in any way the Zimbabweans, is to report accurately what is being done to who, and how it is being done.  And put pressure on SA President Mbeki to follow up on the implications of some parts of the ANC charter.

Give names and places.  These atrocities aren&#039;t happening to nameless non-entities - they are happening to real people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, perhaps the most the UK can do to aid in any way the Zimbabweans, is to report accurately what is being done to who, and how it is being done.  And put pressure on SA President Mbeki to follow up on the implications of some parts of the ANC charter.</p>
<p>Give names and places.  These atrocities aren&#8217;t happening to nameless non-entities &#8211; they are happening to real people.</p>
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		<title>By: samuel white</title>
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		<dc:creator>samuel white</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an American who as lived in Zimbabwe, and still has friends there, I can assure the other readers that the crimes committed in Zimbabwe are even worse then reported. The British should do anything it can to try and help end the fighting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an American who as lived in Zimbabwe, and still has friends there, I can assure the other readers that the crimes committed in Zimbabwe are even worse then reported. The British should do anything it can to try and help end the fighting.</p>
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		<title>By: Krishna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krishna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Alex:
Normally you&#039;d be right about UN not allowed to intervene in the affairs of a sovereign state. In the case of Genocide, however, the UN Genocide convention explicitly allow (actually I believe it requires) action</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Alex:<br />
Normally you&#8217;d be right about UN not allowed to intervene in the affairs of a sovereign state. In the case of Genocide, however, the UN Genocide convention explicitly allow (actually I believe it requires) action</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gareth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the British government have little ground to stand when they accuse others of terror. The unprovoked war of aggression in Iraq is more heinous crime than anything committed by Mugabe. I think we should stay out of other countries business and concentrate on reigning in our own violence and terror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the British government have little ground to stand when they accuse others of terror. The unprovoked war of aggression in Iraq is more heinous crime than anything committed by Mugabe. I think we should stay out of other countries business and concentrate on reigning in our own violence and terror.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Bennee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Bennee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James:

I believe the main problem is the UN doesn&#039;t have a mandate to interfere in the internal affairs of a country. Of course the argument could be made that the problems in Zimbabwe are having a wider effect on stability across the region.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James:</p>
<p>I believe the main problem is the UN doesn&#8217;t have a mandate to interfere in the internal affairs of a country. Of course the argument could be made that the problems in Zimbabwe are having a wider effect on stability across the region.</p>
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